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05-31-2022 , 05:00 PM
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More than half of the challenge is done, which motivates me to keep grinding.
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06-02-2022 , 03:51 PM
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06-30-2022 , 01:00 PM
June 2022:



Bankroll is at 53.5k

There is a reg in my pool that studied charts and is using really good RFI/3b ranges. The only problem is that this is apparently where he stopped studying. He doesn't understand how to 4bet properly, or even that he's supposed to be folding his bluff 3bets vs 4bets. Just in the last few weeks he has called my 4bet shoves with:
- AJo CO vs MP
- A5s BTN vs MP
- KJo SB vs BTN

I know there are all kinds of players out there, but I've never seen this before. I have 24k hands on him and he has been playing like this, I'd say, 12+ hrs/day, every single day for years. I don't think he's a bot, though, as he's bumhunting pretty hard and adjusting to different regs.

I'll try to increase the volume a bit next month. At least 50k hands, let's say.

That's all.

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07-01-2022 , 07:43 PM
Start playing higher.
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07-01-2022 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Start playing higher.
OP was playing some 200nl, which he only has like 250 full buy-ins for. Pretty solid brm imo for a pro playing at a level they haven't yet proven to beat
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07-02-2022 , 10:00 AM
Yeah, I've been thinking about playing higher, but the 100nl and 200nl tables aren't very active where I'm playing right now.

I'm probably gonna move to another site soon. Maybe back to PokerStars, PartyPoker or WPN? Which sites do you guys think are decent to play on right now?
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07-02-2022 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
Yeah, I've been thinking about playing higher, but the 100nl and 200nl tables aren't very active where I'm playing right now.

I'm probably gonna move to another site soon. Maybe back to PokerStars, PartyPoker or WPN? Which sites do you guys think are decent to play on right now?

it depends a lot on your priorities like either having high RB% with tougher players, or low RB% with softer tables.

what would you say brings the highest EV if you compare ?
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07-02-2022 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadsEnhancer
it depends a lot on your priorities like either having high RB% with tougher players, or low RB% with softer tables.

what would you say brings the highest EV if you compare ?
I don't care too much about the RB and softness, as those two things tend to be very closely related. My final win rate ends up being very similar in either case. My main priority is that I can multi table and play 800+ hands/hr consistently at 100-200nl.
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07-02-2022 , 03:36 PM
There are a lot of non-American low and mid stakes pros playing on WPN, so it seems to be a decent option. Bots are less of an issue than they used to be, as WPN has taken some measure to ban bot accounts, but from what I've heard they're not very good anyway and can be easily exploited. I would just say watch out for colluders, so maybe don't sit at reg tables with a bunch of accounts from Russia and/or Belarus

But if you're primarily just worried about hands per hour, then why not just play on stars?
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07-02-2022 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
There are a lot of non-American low and mid stakes pros playing on WPN, so it seems to be a decent option. Bots are less of an issue than they used to be, as WPN has taken some measure to ban bot accounts, but from what I've heard they're not very good anyway and can be easily exploited. I would just say watch out for colluders, so maybe don't sit at reg tables with a bunch of accounts from Russia and/or Belarus
Bots probably shouldn't be a big problem for me, especially if I'm shortstacking, as I doubt they were programmed well for that part of the game tree. They should be permanently exploitable in some areas, as I doubt they can adjust.

Colluding in poker tends to be very inefficient and pretty easy to spot, unless I'm missing something. Card sharing would be the biggest problem, but the edge that would give them is probably still <0.5 bb/100, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by whitemares
But if you're primarily just worried about hands per hour, then why not just play on stars?
Didn't stars limit max tables to 4? I'll probably start playing Zoom at times when there's not much action on iPoker.
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07-02-2022 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
Bots probably shouldn't be a big problem for me, especially if I'm shortstacking, as I doubt they were programmed well for that part of the game tree. They should be permanently exploitable in some areas, as I doubt they can adjust.
Very good point. They shouldn't be an issue anyway if you're just a decent player in general, but they're probably horrendous against a competent short stacker. Their programming probably treats any shorty like a fish

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Originally Posted by ZKesic
Didn't stars limit max tables to 4? I'll probably start playing Zoom at times when there's not much action on iPoker.
Yes, but only for non-zoom tables. Don't you usually play zoom anyway?
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07-02-2022 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
I'm using the Simple Preflop solver for sims. Perhaps the guys you asked are using something else and are getting a bit different results because of it? Overall, my sims seem very consistent and give logical results for all inputs I give them. They 3bet to 11bb SB vs BTN and to 13bb BB vs BTN, 100bb deep. When shorter they go smaller, when deeper they go bigger, until around 250bb stacks, after which they start lowering the 3bet size again.

I don't know what could be wrong with my sims as I allow all the relevant sizes preflop and 4 sizes/street postflop and always solve it to a very high accuracy:



I ran many sims for 150bb - 250bb stacks with different inputs and never got any results that preferred 3bets smaller than 16bb BB vs BTN.

Perhaps your friends are making incorrect abstractions? For example, they might not be allowing small enough 4bets, which would probably make it optimal for BB to 3bet smaller. Or they might not be allowing non-all-in 5bets from the BB, which my sims often use 200bb deep.
Does restricting turn and river sizing to not having a small sizing affect this outcome? I would guess if you only give the solver large and over-bet sizings on later streets it would affect the outcome (maybe not significantly) in some way? Given the solver's large sizing on later streets, would it favor a more polarized 3-bet pre range in general? If that's the case maybe that's why those inputs prefer a 22bb 3-bet instead of the 12-13bb
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07-02-2022 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Yes, but only for non-zoom tables. Don't you usually play zoom anyway?
Yeah, I'll play Zoom.

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Originally Posted by ceegee
Does restricting turn and river sizing to not having a small sizing affect this outcome? I would guess if you only give the solver large and over-bet sizings on later streets it would affect the outcome (maybe not significantly) in some way? Given the solver's large sizing on later streets, would it favor a more polarized 3-bet pre range in general? If that's the case maybe that's why those inputs prefer a 22bb 3-bet instead of the 12-13bb
I've experimented with this a lot and the allowed postflop sizings seem to have almost no impact on the optimal preflop strategy. I ran multiple 200bb sims with different variables and all results were pretty much identical, even if I allowed smaller turn/river sizings.

I've learned that the equilibrium in poker isn't very fragile at all. We can forcefully change the BTN opening range, disallow a bunch of postflop sizings, change the rake structure... And after all that, the optimal 3bet sizing will still remain pretty much identical.
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07-02-2022 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
Yeah, I'll play Zoom.

I always assumed you played reg tables on an ipoker skin?

If i'm wrong with this please ignore me but if you switch to zoom on stars expect your winrate to half as well as your rakeback if your lucky.

I mainly play one] party but I just 6 table. You'd crush he 50-100nl games there but you don't get a hud and will struggle to more than 6 tables during off peak times. Peak you can get 9 tables easy with a GTD fish and with the seating system you will quite often be on tables with 2+ terrible fish often so thats the balance you have to consider.

But is you sign up for a RB site you could get 30% from Party + another 10-15% from the affiliate
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07-11-2022 , 08:00 PM
I've just hit one of my biggest heaters so far. A 20min 100bb+/100 session while short stacking 50nl (with 30bb starting stacks):



It feels like every single bluff went through, and whenever I actually had it, the stacks went in right away.

Vs a rec, right after doubling up through him:
    $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

    Hero (SB): $28.51 (57 bb)
    BB: $92.51 (185 bb)
    MP: $28.91 (57.8 bb)
    CO: $62.56 (125.1 bb)
    BTN: $82.39 (164.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 5
    3 folds, Hero raises to $1.44, BB calls $0.94

    Flop: ($2.88) J 4 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks

    Turn: ($2.88) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $2.01, Hero raises to $8.27, BB calls $6.26

    River: ($19.42) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $18.80, BB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $19.42 pot ($0.97 rake)
    Final Board: J 4 3 8 Q
    Hero mucked A 5 and won $18.45 ($8.74 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$9.71 net)

    I'm not sure how profitable this line was... I'd say he probably underfolds the turn and overfolds the river a bit.

    Either way, winning 12 BI in just 20min did feel pretty good.
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    07-11-2022 , 08:22 PM
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    Originally Posted by ZKesic
    Vs a rec, right after doubling up through him:
      $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

      Hero (SB): $28.51 (57 bb)
      BB: $92.51 (185 bb)
      MP: $28.91 (57.8 bb)
      CO: $62.56 (125.1 bb)
      BTN: $82.39 (164.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A 5
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.44, BB calls $0.94

      Flop: ($2.88) J 4 3 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Turn: ($2.88) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $2.01, Hero raises to $8.27, BB calls $6.26

      River: ($19.42) Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $18.80, BB folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $19.42 pot ($0.97 rake)
      Final Board: J 4 3 8 Q
      Hero mucked A 5 and won $18.45 ($8.74 net)
      BB mucked and lost (-$9.71 net)

      I'm not sure how profitable this line was... I'd say he probably underfolds the turn and overfolds the river a bit.

      Either way, winning 12 BI in just 20min did feel pretty good.

      I remember hearing somewhere that when we x flop, and villain doesn't cbet. We can xr the turn a lot more often since people aren't balancing their ranges that well on the flop.
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      07-12-2022 , 10:00 AM
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      Originally Posted by newguyhere
      I remember hearing somewhere that when we x flop, and villain doesn't cbet. We can xr the turn a lot more often since people aren't balancing their ranges that well on the flop.
      In some spots for sure, but I don't think they overfold on that specific turn. People usually check back these flops with most Jx hands and then bet them on the turn, imo. A big part of their turn betting range will also be OE and FDs that will usually call the raise. Most of these hands are always folding the river, though, which is why I'm never giving up with bluffs in these spots. He snap called the turn too, which implied a medium strength hand. I expect him to at least consider 3betting with most 2p+ hands.
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      07-12-2022 , 11:30 AM
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      Originally Posted by ZKesic
      In some spots for sure, but I don't think they overfold on that specific turn. People usually check back these flops with most Jx hands and then bet them on the turn, imo. A big part of their turn betting range will also be OE and FDs that will usually call the raise. Most of these hands are always folding the river, though, which is why I'm never giving up with bluffs in these spots. He snap called the turn too, which implied a medium strength hand. I expect him to at least consider 3betting with most 2p+ hands.
      I don't think most Jx hands X back since pool's overstab these J high boards. Especially J high two tone.

      The line is interesting though. Makes me want to attack flop X back's more in these spots.

      Here is some older data but can't imagine meta has changed a ton at lower stakes.

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      07-12-2022 , 01:00 PM
      ^
      Thanks for the data, DooDoo.

      I have a 5mil+ hand sample on regs in my pool and they seem to be stabbing the flop 38% of the time BvB (36% vs hero). They stab rainbow boards 37% and 2t boards 39% of the time. They also seem to stab low boards a bit more often than the high ones. Recreational players have similar tendencies (39% stab).
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      07-12-2022 , 01:37 PM
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      Originally Posted by ZKesic
      ^
      Thanks for the data, DooDoo.

      I have a 5mil+ hand sample on regs in my pool and they seem to be stabbing the flop 38% of the time BvB (36% vs hero). They stab rainbow boards 37% and 2t boards 39% of the time. They also seem to stab low boards a bit more often than the high ones. Recreational players have similar tendencies (39% stab).
      Np! I think I haven't been taking enough advantage of these X backs in general.

      How many hands total in the 5mil sample for BvB?

      Looks like there's about 250k in that Night Vision sample.
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      07-22-2022 , 02:00 PM
      July 2022:





      Bankroll is at 55.2k

      I deposited 100€ to PS this month and started grinding 50z. They also gave me a free $25 Spin & Go ticket for returning and I managed to win it:



      This was the final hand:
      Spoiler:
        Poker Stars, $23.50 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players

        Hero (BB): 1,110 (27.8 bb)
        SB: 390 (9.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with K 3
        SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: (80) 9 2 K (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero calls 40

        Turn: (160) A (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB bets 80, Hero calls 80

        River: (320) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB bets 230 and is all-in, Hero calls 230

        Spoiler:
        Results: 780 pot
        Final Board: 9 2 K A 6
        Hero showed K 3 and won 780 (390 net)
        SB showed T 4 and lost (-390 net)


        I will move up to 100z once my PS roll reaches 1k. Then move back down if it gets under 800€.

        I'm going on a vacation to Croatia now, so I won't be playing any more poker this month.

        Here are some notable hands from the last few sessions:
        Spoiler:

        H1: Vs unknown rec:
          $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

          SB: $50 (100 bb)
          BB: $61.74 (123.5 bb)
          MP: $99.66 (199.3 bb)
          Hero (CO): $28.05 (56.1 bb)
          BTN: $110.93 (221.9 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
          MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds, MP calls $1.25

          Flop: ($6) 2 7 8 (3 players)
          MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

          Turn: ($6) 4 (3 players)
          MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

          River: ($6) 2 (3 players)
          MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $6, MP folds, Hero calls $6

          Spoiler:
          Results: $18 pot ($0.90 rake)
          Final Board: 2 7 8 4 2
          MP mucked and lost (-$1.75 net)
          Hero mucked Q K and won $17.10 ($9.35 net)
          BTN showed J 5 and lost (-$7.75 net)

          H2: Vs a nit. 98s might actually be his only bluff here
            $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

            SB: $69.61 (139.2 bb)
            Hero (BB): $21.55 (43.1 bb)
            MP: $50 (100 bb)
            CO: $83.69 (167.4 bb)
            BTN: $50 (100 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
            MP raises to $1.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

            Flop: ($2.45) T A 7 (2 players)
            Hero checks, MP bets $0.61, Hero raises to $2.99, MP calls $2.38

            Turn: ($8.43) 2 (2 players)
            Hero bets $4.71, MP calls $4.71

            River: ($17.85) 4 (2 players)
            Hero checks, MP bets $26.77, Hero calls $12.75 and is all-in

            Spoiler:
            Results: $43.35 pot ($2.16 rake)
            Final Board: T A 7 2 4
            Hero mucked K A and won $41.19 ($19.64 net)
            MP showed 9 8 and lost (-$21.55 net)

            H3: This is why you're not supposed to go for thin value when IP otr...
              $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

              Hero (SB): $64.76 (129.5 bb)
              BB: $50.96 (101.9 bb)
              CO: $54.03 (108.1 bb)
              BTN: $50.63 (101.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
              CO raises to $1.10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $5.50, BB folds, CO calls $4.40

              Flop: ($11.50) J 6 Q (2 players)
              Hero bets $4.23, CO calls $4.23

              Turn: ($19.96) 4 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $6.58, Hero calls $6.58

              River: ($33.12) 5 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $10.92, Hero raises to $48.45 and is all-in, CO folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $54.96 pot ($2.74 rake)
              Final Board: J 6 Q 4 5
              Hero mucked A K and won $52.22 ($24.99 net)
              CO mucked and lost (-$27.23 net)
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              07-22-2022 , 08:42 PM
              Why only 26h of play?

              Wish you nice trip.
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              07-23-2022 , 06:00 AM
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              Why only 26h of play?

              Wish you nice trip.
              Thanks!

              My expenses are only around 800/month on average, so I don't really need to work more than that.
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              07-23-2022 , 06:40 AM
              Wow dude 26h is so little though.

              Like I work 36hr a week and still manage at least double that when I feel like grinding and I feel like I'm hardly playing so I can't imagine only doing 6.5hours a week when it's my main source of income.
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              07-23-2022 , 08:28 AM
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              Thanks!

              My expenses are only around 800/month on average, so I don't really need to work more than that.
              I get that. I believe you could make 500k-1m over the next 5-7 years. if you just put serious volume and apply less conservative BRM strategy.
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