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02-06-2022 , 03:31 PM
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02-06-2022 , 03:41 PM
Costco has a membership for only $17k a year for domestic flights.
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02-06-2022 , 04:11 PM
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My mom is the most simple person i know (ainec) but this wedding meant a lot to her so she had everything (traditional clothing) custom made internationally last year and shipped to us.

Plus expensive jewelry etc
Airline better cough up some rtp dough if it doesn't turn up...! Sorry mate.
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02-06-2022 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Habman
netjets.com

All the luxury, without the headache.
yeah but they don't even list their pricing when you click the links that supposedly give you the pricing

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Costco has a membership for only $17k a year for domestic flights.
that's just to have access to the platform

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/cos...jet-membership
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doesn't include is, uh, the actual cost of the flights. According to The Points Guy, scoring an empty seat on what the company calls its "Hot Flights" could be around $320 for a one-way ticket, but the cost of a private flight on a King Air 350i could be an additional $4,695 per hour while a mid-sized jet could be up to $7,695.
agreed that you don't need to be a billionaire to do it with programs like those, but it's still a huge cost modifier to the point where you're at a point in your life where money is just how you keep score
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02-06-2022 , 04:46 PM
Yeah I know it's just for the membership. Just saying it's still doable without being a billionaire.
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02-06-2022 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Yeah I know it's just for the membership. Just saying it's still doable without being a billionaire.
true, even an irresponsible non millionaire could swing it with those programs
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02-06-2022 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
this should be much lower on your list imo, i know billionaires who fly commercial, also know a pilot who's been pilot #2 for Chinese billionaire for about a decade now

it's a 100x cost modifier and requires heavy maintenance and planning

ie today you can just book a ticket two hours before your flight and go anywhere you want

to fly private you'd need to plan it all several days in advance so the flight path, takeoff/landing times can be coordinated etc etc

you also need a full time staff of two pilots, stewardess(es), a management company to handle logistics of setting up flights, refueling, storing in hangar when not in use, doing maintenance and repairs

it's convenient in the sense where if you hand someone 1 million a year and just give them a week's notice before you fly then you have it but it's no good for last minute stuff

ie that pilot would fly a plane based in Beijing but he lived in Cambodia because he'd always have like 3+ days notice before they would go somewhere which meant he'd just head to the airport and fly back into Beijing because it takes that long to coordinate and get approval for a flight

i mean it's good to have goals - but that's a "i have so much money it's immaterial to me" level which means once you have that what else is left to do?

they do have programs now of temporarily leasing jets and group ownership like a condo timeshare which may make it a bit for in reach but again it's a pretty big cost multiplier
Almost none of this is correct for domestic flights. I used to flight corporate jets and now I fly for a ULCC. Most corporate jets and turboprops don't need a flight attendant to start. Only the large ones like Gulfstreams and Globals need one. A Hawker, Falcon, King Air, Citation, etc won't have the room for a flight attendant. Most charter pilots under 135 have a 1-2 hour callout, so arranging crews isn't that difficult, either. I could do a flight plan, drive to the airport, and have the plane ready in 30 minutes at my old job. It isn't cheap, though, and not feasible for most people. Plan on 4-5k per hour for small jets and turboprops with repositioning fees and other fees tacked on.

Private flying is still subject to weather and ATC delays. If DFW is shut down, all of the local feeder airports like ADS, RBD, DAL, etc are shut down as well. They typically are less equipped than major airports for ice and weather.
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02-06-2022 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
Almost none of this is correct for domestic flights. I used to flight corporate jets and now I fly for a ULCC. Most corporate jets and turboprops don't need a flight attendant to start. Only the large ones like Gulfstreams and Globals need one. A Hawker, Falcon, King Air, Citation, etc won't have the room for a flight attendant. Most charter pilots under 135 have a 1-2 hour callout, so arranging crews isn't that difficult, either. I could do a flight plan, drive to the airport, and have the plane ready in 30 minutes at my old job. It isn't cheap, though, and not feasible for most people. Plan on 4-5k per hour for small jets and turboprops with repositioning fees and other fees tacked on.

Private flying is still subject to weather and ATC delays. If DFW is shut down, all of the local feeder airports like ADS, RBD, DAL, etc are shut down as well. They typically are less equipped than major airports for ice and weather.
i think we're comparing international to domestic

also perhaps china is extra restrictive

re: stewardess(es) obviously not required but it's basically no extra cost in the grand scheme of things so commonly added when plane big enough where it makes logistic sense

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02-06-2022 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Poker Goals by 25
[ ] Play 5/10+ exclusively, when playing live
[ ] Reg HSNL online on any site profitably
[ ] Play in a high stakes game on LATB
[ ] Play in the WSOP Main Event
[ ] Play poker in FL, MD, MA, NJ, NorCal
[ ] Still be updating this thread regularly
Question for you:

When you say you want to play poker in NJ, what is the purpose of that?

There is realistically only 1 place to play poker in NJ from a casino perspective, Borgata, but lately it’s been quite shitty from what I hear. If the answer is that you want to play in big games, Parx (in PA, just north of Philly) has more regular larger games. 10/10 runs almost daily. There is a regular 10/20 game on Tuesdays/weekends. Some weekends get 25/50.

Just mention it as a thought to either swap it for NJ or add it to the list if you’re already in the area.

If you still plan to play at Borgata, I would plan to do it during the summer months, it’s much busier as the Jersey shore is a summer tourist destination. Winter it’s dead there.
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02-06-2022 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Arrived two days late, all of our baggage is missing and apparently there’s no record of any of it being loaded on any flight beyond the initial check-in

Pro tip: Put AirTags in your checked luggage.
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02-07-2022 , 12:32 PM
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this is my way of keeping myself accountable


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late but productive poker hours week 1 of 2022: 94


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Productive Poker Hours Week 2 of 2022: 76


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Productive Poker Hours Week 3 of 2022: 72


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Productive Poker Hours Week 4 of 2022: 88


Productive Poker Hours Week 5 of 2022: 57



Productive Poker Hours Weekly Average in 2022: 77.4
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02-07-2022 , 12:38 PM
jfc dude, i commend the work effort but i've done this myself and speaking from experience this is always leads to burnout where you're just emotionally zapped

worst part about burnout is you keep on grinding before you're truly aware of your new mental state and you start making terrible decisions

not that i don't think you have a great work ethic and likely used to the kind of stuff but you should set aside a few more hours of the day for something less mentally engaging - you can even still have it be poker related ie reading non theory heavy books on poker or just watching old wsop coverage etc
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02-07-2022 , 01:33 PM
Thanks for the discussion, everyone. Actually learned a lot about flying private.

Have tons to write about wrt the past week, pictures to post etc.

The post by jots was unique, though, so wanted to get to it first before I threw it in my folder of things to circle back to.

I joke, but anyone who’s followed the thread from the beginning knows that I do get back to everything eventually as I actually save and organize posts (as opposed to relying on memory)
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02-07-2022 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Question for you:
Ty for the question, sir. You’ve given me plenty of insightful advice in the past, which I appreciate, so I’ll do a longer post.




Those were 4 year goals. 21————>25. I have until November of 2024.

It depends if you’re interested in my POV at the time I set the goals, or present day.

I don’t know how much you or whoever’s reading knows about my journey.





My situation was a lot different when I created those goals fourteen months ago.

I was buying into live games (such as Bellagio/Aria 1/3: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=676) with a MAX buyin of $300.

Similarly, my HIGHEST stake online was 200nl (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=841).




My roll at the time was fairly proportionate to these games. Albeit, I’m incredibly conservative brm wise and factor in psychological considerations etc, so ymmv.

I didn’t really think I would be playing up to $7000 effective less than a year later.


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When you say you want to play poker in NJ, what is the purpose of that?
Back then: I thought it would be super cool to travel around and play in different card-rooms domestically. Stakes were irrelevant and my EV playing cards wasn’t particularly high. I didn’t really even consider traveling internationally just to play cards.

Some may consider those goals to be ambitious, but remember that they weren’t money oriented, perse, and traveling can be expensive.





Present day:
Yes, I’d prefer to play minimum a deeper 2/5 game. Doesn’t have to be particularly big- remember that I can always play online/private/study etc even when traveling.

I’m not obligated to ever sit in a bad live game.

And it’s a sunk cost once you’re already at the destination imo. Why make it worse by sitting in low EV, high variance games.





Bad timing as prior to this past week I was keen on adding some international stops (Canada, U.K., Australia, Asia and so on) as early as this year.

Would like to wait some time before talking about international travel again

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02-07-2022 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

When you say you want to play poker in NJ, what is the purpose of that?
Also, I’d like to re-add Texas to that list (despite having played in the state). I’d like to play in all of the major card-rooms and the poker scene has expanded in recent years.


It’s a big state.


Similar logic for all the other destinations~. I’ve played in Florida to date, but will be re-visiting.



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There is realistically only 1 place to play poker in NJ from a casino perspective, Borgata, but lately it’s been quite shitty from what I hear. If the answer is that you want to play in big games, Parx (in PA, just north of Philly) has more regular larger games. 10/10 runs almost daily. There is a regular 10/20 game on Tuesdays/weekends. Some weekends get 25/50.
By the time some of these trips happen, I suppose it’s possible that the availability of bigger games would be a necessity. (So no one quote me on any of this.)



But at the moment I find it unlikely that the action, or lack there of, will move the needle on the trip like I was saying above.



Just happy to be playing cards



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If you still plan to play at Borgata, I would plan to do it during the summer months, it’s much busier as the Jersey shore is a summer tourist destination. Winter it’s dead there
Intel like this is appreciated.



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Parx (in PA, just north of Philly) has more regular larger games. 10/10 runs almost daily. There is a regular 10/20 game on Tuesdays/weekends. Some weekends get 25/50.



Just mention it as a thought to either swap it for NJ or add it to the list if you’re already in the area.
Ty for the suggestion
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02-07-2022 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
jfc dude, i commend the work effort but i've done this myself and speaking from experience this is always leads to burnout where you're just emotionally zapped

worst part about burnout is you keep on grinding before you're truly aware of your new mental state and you start making terrible decisions

not that i don't think you have a great work ethic and likely used to the kind of stuff but you should set aside a few more hours of the day for something less mentally engaging - you can even still have it be poker related ie reading non theory heavy books on poker or just watching old wsop coverage etc
+1

I believe the old saying is "burning the candle at both ends".
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02-07-2022 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
jfc dude, i commend the work effort but i've done this myself and speaking from experience this is always leads to burnout where you're just emotionally zapped

worst part about burnout is you keep on grinding before you're truly aware of your new mental state and you start making terrible decisions

not that i don't think you have a great work ethic and likely used to the kind of stuff but you should set aside a few more hours of the day for something less mentally engaging - you can even still have it be poker related ie reading non theory heavy books on poker or just watching old wsop coverage etc
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+1
I believe the old saying is "burning the candle at both ends".
Ty for your insight, gentlemen.

I’ve wrote essays on where my head is at wrt this many times before that I can link if there’s further interest but cliffs are that there’s too much variance in both life and poker to “guarantee” becoming one of the best live players in the world unless I give 100% for a decade plus.

I want to reach the top of the mountain regardless of how I run (bottom 10% etc) and to do this simply putting myself in position is not enough.

Obviously I’m aware that I don’t have full control but I want as much as possible.

In my humble opinion, I need to create extreme separation between myself and everyone else in the world in order to (effectively) ensure the outcome I desire
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02-07-2022 , 10:35 PM
This is true (and I'm far from the right person to give any advice regarding work ethic ) but it's also impossible to reach the top of the mountain if you burn out halfway up the slope. Just something to consider.
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02-08-2022 , 12:49 AM
I’ll be a contrarian and say if your goal is to reach the top of the mountain then you’ll have to suffer for it. You’re super young and dedicated, go for it.

You might burn out, a lot do (myself included), but that’s what separates the greats from everyone else.

Imagine how much time the worlds best athletes put into their respective sports. Or chess masters.
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02-08-2022 , 02:11 AM
Every interview with top players I've heard has included them saying there was a period where they completely threw life balance out of the window and pushed themselves extremely hard + devoted inf time to poker for periods of time, so I definitely think it's right that if you really want to compete at that level it's impossible to avoid periods like that.

However, they've also said that it's obviously not sustainable and those periods of extreme dedication were periodic rather than constant.
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02-08-2022 , 10:57 AM
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This is true (and I'm far from the right person to give any advice regarding work ethic ) but it's also impossible to reach the top of the mountain if you burn out halfway up the slope. Just something to consider.

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Every interview with top players I've heard has included them saying there was a period where they completely threw life balance out of the window and pushed themselves extremely hard + devoted inf time to poker for periods of time, so I definitely think it's right that if you really want to compete at that level it's impossible to avoid periods like that.

However, they've also said that it's obviously not sustainable and those periods of extreme dedication were periodic rather than constant.
I found what Mr. Jarretman had to say itt on the topic to be insightful, even if I disagree with him overall.




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Nice thread

If you want some unsolicited advice I can give you some non strategy advice that's heavily biased (advice for anybody looking to eventually become pro)

First above all else, don't do it. Reconsider taking some other type of career lol(not joking)

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This is unsustainable. Maybe while you are learning the game/are excited about it you can pull these hours but for your own mental health's sake make sure you keep balance in your life! Also make sure you're doing at least 50% off table study/50%play (for now, until you reach a good winrate, then shift it to 25% study, 75% play)

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There was some advice from Fried Meulders (mynameiskarl) talking about how humans crave linear progression and while poker has a learning progression, the results progression is extremely non-linear in the short term, only becoming linear in the LONG LONG term. Therefore, you need to find some other type of linear progression in your life (studying or improving a musical instrument, working out, some type of sport, learning a language etc) in order to feel more fulfilled. I think Fried is completely right; poker is very often unsatisfying and you need some external sources of satisfaction.




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I’ll be a contrarian and say if your goal is to reach the top of the mountain then you’ll have to suffer for it. You’re super young and dedicated, go for it.

You might burn out, a lot do (myself included), but that’s what separates the greats from everyone else.

Imagine how much time the worlds best athletes put into their respective sports. Or chess masters.
Ty for sharing your thoughts guys, well said.

This is something I’ve wrote about in length in here many times before, and my thoughts remain unchanged, but I can appreciate both viewpoints equally!

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02-08-2022 , 11:27 AM
Level of effort is highly individually specific. Just do what you feel comfortable doing at the time. If you feel like it’s getting to be too much, reign it in some.
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02-08-2022 , 12:45 PM
rtp, last few days i knew i wasn't feeling it, suspected i was going through burnout myself as I literally hadn't taken a day off since my brother's wedding in october - even on the holidays i'd put in time updating and running my simulation models and then entering lineups

so i didn't play the hockey game slate, which was an easy decision since it was just 2 games - but then i decided to still play basketball

i only managed to set 2 of 10 lineups in time for lock despite starting the process 2 hours ahead of time

but that was ok, i then had an hour to set 8 other lineups and make the showdown lines, showdown is my new niche where i'm one of the top people

of course i only finish 7-8 lines in time and none of my showdowns so that's -2k

i had the time, just my mind was in such a fog i wasn't cognizant of the fact that i had to stop playing around with the projections and actually enter the lineups until it was too late - i even failed to recognize that i should prioritize the showdown lineups since that's where majority of monies were invest

I don't put in quite as many hours as you but also nearly twice your age but each day I don't play I feel like I'm both losing EV and creating an opportunity for a newcomer to see the overlay from my absence and decide to play and then slowly take over and push me out (exactly how i moved up - there's very little room in dfs at the top since the high dollar contests are usually 6-10 players deep and you need at lesast 1-2 casuals to make it viable)

so the next few days i'm going to simplify heavily and just do single cash lines and skip the multi entry trournaments

but if i were better at recognizing burnout and taking breaks before i make those brainfarts as a result then i'd easily have 50k+ to my networth right now, but to your point, i agree if i took too many breaks then my networth would also suffer from that too

it's tough to balance, i still struggle with it and it occasionally leads to absolutely inexcusable mistakes like i did yesterday - the minute i knew i wasn't feeling it and would skip hockey i should have also just skipped nba too but like an idiot i thought i could handle it

it's hard to explain burnout until you experience it, it's like your brain goes into pause and you lose all objectivity and don't even realize what's important and why - normally i get all lineups in with at least 15 min to spare and then do my final tweaks once i have that safety net in place and since burnout just skipping this protocol without even realizing it and then seeing the clock with 10 min to lock i don't have any urgency and would rather take my time and do small minor increments that if i was thinking clearly would realize didn't matter because i wouldn't have enough time to implement them anyway
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02-08-2022 , 02:40 PM
if you make it to London give me a shout rtp, I'll buy you a beer or two
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02-08-2022 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Level of effort is highly individually specific. Just do what you feel comfortable doing at the time. If you feel like it’s getting to be too much, reign it in some.
Ty for sharing your thoughts

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rtp, last few days i knew i wasn't feeling it, suspected i was going through burnout myself as I literally hadn't taken a day off since my brother's wedding in october - even on the holidays i'd put in time updating and running my simulation models and then entering lineups



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so i didn't play the hockey game slate, which was an easy decision since it was just 2 games - but then i decided to still play basketball

i only managed to set 2 of 10 lineups in time for lock despite starting the process 2 hours ahead of time

but that was ok, i then had an hour to set 8 other lineups and make the showdown lines, showdown is my new niche where i'm one of the top people

of course i only finish 7-8 lines in time and none of my showdowns so that's -2k
Ty for sharing, mr. rickroll.

Are all of the sites similar? FD, DK, Yahoo etc

What do you like about showdown?


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showdown is my new niche where i'm one of the top people
What is your core competency in this niche, if you don’t mind sharing?
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