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01-09-2022 , 12:53 AM
i think 9cTc x/r here as people often do with these combo draws

but even without that jamming all the way unless you'd think he could fold QJ in which case I'd size it around 845???

i usually went with odd sizes instead of clean even numbers in these spots because it tends to tilt people and induce them to spew

p.s. brutal on the downswing it sucks to endure that but the main thing is to bust leaks and move onwards without dwelling on it - thing especially bad about it when it's your income is not only did you not earn that time but you lost, and not just that but lost your ability to earn more going forward
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01-09-2022 , 01:20 AM
yes, obv sizing question if not obv

ty for sharing your thoughts sir
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01-09-2022 , 03:17 AM
I cram that spot every time and don't think it's close tbh. If you want to build some other sizing then I'd save that for weaker flushes and maybe particularly some hand like KTcc K9cc that block a lot of potential calling combos, but I think you would be losing a ton of ev in general by not cramming nut flushes here.
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01-09-2022 , 06:18 AM
I like $1460. Leave the man some money for the bus.
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01-09-2022 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
I cram that spot every time and don't think it's close tbh. If you want to build some other sizing then I'd save that for weaker flushes and maybe particularly some hand like KTcc K9cc that block a lot of potential calling combos, but I think you would be losing a ton of ev in general by not cramming nut flushes here.
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I like $1460. Leave the man some money for the bus.
Ty for sharing your thoughts guys!

Maybe it’s too ambitious to think 10x donks this sizing? Trying to target that region if he has it. And I was thinking K high flushes will 3-bet jam river anyways.
Not sure, probably dumb.

Spoiler:
Hero $980, V folds



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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Leave the man some money for the bus.
V worth like nine figures
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01-09-2022 , 01:24 PM
Main V is a ginormous whale who’s clicking all kinds of buttons. Binks value occasionally, sometimes has complete air.

Tilting hard, hasn’t topped up. Views me as super tight it seems. Mostly a function of how I play relative to how loose he is.

$955E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $16 MP with J J. Main V calls next to act. Reg overcalls SB. BB overcalls.

Flop ($64): 10 4 3. Blinds check. Hero $48. Main V calls. Blinds fold.

Turn ($160): 10 4 3 2. Hero continues $120. V quickly jams $890E.

What are you doing here?
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01-09-2022 , 01:28 PM
happily calling here vs described V.


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01-09-2022 , 02:48 PM
ty for the feedback!

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01-09-2022 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Ty for sharing your thoughts guys!

Maybe it’s too ambitious to think 10x donks this sizing? Trying to target that region if he has it. And I was thinking K high flushes will 3-bet jam river anyways.
Not sure, probably dumb.
You target Tx by cramming and putting it in a super sick spot. If you think villain is gonna donk and way overfold I am mainly a proponent of bluffing more (also with cram size) rather than sizing down and playing weird mindgames with our nut value (barring the type of calling range blocking effects that I mentioned).

In general our best hands want to play for all the chips and some people even interpret nai raises in these kinds of spots as stronger than jams (because good bluffs are gonna be pretty tempted to jam, not use some clicky size).

If villain exposed his cards face up as Tx I would jam this spot no question in a heartbeat and force him to make the decision for all his chips, just like I would do with high tier bluff combos, so I disagree with the approach in general pretty much.

Also way too easy to overlook the fact that you have to get bluffcaught at a lower frequency because when villain calls you win more money.

Last edited by Duncelanas; 01-09-2022 at 04:13 PM.
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01-09-2022 , 07:03 PM
Ty for the feedback!
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01-09-2022 , 07:06 PM
Main V is a super splashy rec, who is somewhat aware. Very dialed in and likes to click the bet and raise button when he deems it appropriate.

$1540E~

OTTH

Pre-flop: EP limps $4. Main V iso $20 MP. Nitty rec calls next to act. Hero 3b CO $90 w A Q. Folds around to Main V, who 4b $404 quickly. Rec folds.

Hero? $1450E behind after my 3b.

I think I’m best served to playing jam or fold in this spot vs this sizing, even MP. However, the stack depth opens up some interesting possibilities.

V is fairly unpredictable. I’ve been 3-betting V quite a bit for obvious reasons. Capable of having whatever, I’ve seen everything.
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01-09-2022 , 07:11 PM
I'd still dump it. All the pf sims I've seen(I've seen a lot) AQo is way down on the list for any continuing action in spots like these.
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01-10-2022 , 04:22 PM
ty for the feedback
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01-10-2022 , 04:23 PM
V huge whale. Very splashy, aggressive.

$1230E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. Main V $40. Hero $140 SB with A K. Main V calls.

Flop ($292): K 10 8. Hero $146. V jams $1090.

what are you doing here?
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01-10-2022 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Main V is a ginormous whale who’s clicking all kinds of buttons. Binks value occasionally, sometimes has complete air.

Tilting hard, hasn’t topped up. Views me as super tight it seems. Mostly a function of how I play relative to how loose he is.

$955E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $16 MP with J J. Main V calls next to act. Reg overcalls SB. BB overcalls.

Flop ($64): 10 4 3. Blinds check. Hero $48. Main V calls. Blinds fold.

Turn ($160): 10 4 3 2. Hero continues $120. V quickly jams $890E.

What are you doing here?
hero folds
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01-10-2022 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Main V is a super splashy rec, who is somewhat aware. Very dialed in and likes to click the bet and raise button when he deems it appropriate.

$1540E~

OTTH

Pre-flop: EP limps $4. Main V iso $20 MP. Nitty rec calls next to act. Hero 3b CO $90 w A Q. Folds around to Main V, who 4b $404 quickly. Rec folds.

Hero? $1450E behind after my 3b.

I think I’m best served to playing jam or fold in this spot vs this sizing, even MP. However, the stack depth opens up some interesting possibilities.

V is fairly unpredictable. I’ve been 3-betting V quite a bit for obvious reasons. Capable of having whatever, I’ve seen everything.
Hero folds
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01-10-2022 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
V huge whale. Very splashy, aggressive.

$1230E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. Main V $40. Hero $140 SB with A K. Main V calls.

Flop ($292): K 10 8. Hero $146. V jams $1090.

what are you doing here?
depends what the turn and river are going to be.
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01-10-2022 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
V huge whale. Very splashy, aggressive.

$1230E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. Main V $40. Hero $140 SB with A K. Main V calls.

Flop ($292): K 10 8. Hero $146. V jams $1090.

what are you doing here?
tough spot, on a dry board this is nearly always a combo draw or air
but on a wet board the jam is more polarized between semi bluff and made as he could be spazzing out of fear his set with get outdrawn upon

not having any spades and KT/K8 being unreasonable hand r/c with we're mostly looking at 88/TT/combo draws

I think T being a spade is very useful info (as opposed to the 8) since JTs/T9s with spades would be likely making this play, I think QJs is most likely culprit, which sucks for us but gotta call it cause that's the worst case scenario non 88/TT and still a 50/50 so pot odds say call is good

I'm much happier to call it off and hope he didn't overplay a made hand and luckboxxed into you having the top of your range and needing to call - if he has a set or 2p then gg and reload

re: other hands i like that JJ/AQ fold imo
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01-10-2022 , 04:49 PM
V live pro type, i battle V 3-5ke often and V is comfortable and extremely tough to play against but lacking structure in his lines and sizing. Bet/folds relentlessly (as you should).

HU.

$1405E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $12 BTN with Q J. V $40. Hero calls IP.

Flop ($80): A 10 3. V $60. Hero calls.

Turn ($200): A 10 3 J. V $132. Hero calls.

River ($464):A 10 3 J 6. V $305. Hero jams $1170. V snaps.

Think this hand is a very clear river jam vs this V in practice, don’t want to get too heavy on the strat.

At this point I’d been playing for a couple days consecutively and was literally just about to call it and take a nap so tough to get sent to the showers here by K Q as the last hand.

This is the life I chose or something like that
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01-10-2022 , 05:00 PM
i like the snap, very hard for him to have better than 2 pair
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01-10-2022 , 05:09 PM
I don't like the pf call w/ QJo.
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01-10-2022 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i like the snap, very hard for him to have better than 2 pair
ty for the feedback

i assume you’re trying to say you like the jam?

V is the one who snapped

always feelsbad to cap a super marathon session this way

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I don't like the pf call w/ QJo.
ty for sharing your thoughts

just a function of V’s sizing oop, which we won’t be doing any folding against with this hand.

will be a fair bit wider than this HU this deep IP vs that sizing.
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01-10-2022 , 05:27 PM
Don't mind it at all, nh. Don't think it's mandatory but taking this line makes a lot of sense.
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01-10-2022 , 05:46 PM
correct, i like the jam, but i'm sure villian liked his snap more
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01-10-2022 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
V live pro type, i battle V 3-5ke often and V is comfortable and extremely tough to play against but lacking structure in his lines and sizing. Bet/folds relentlessly (as you should).

HU.

$1405E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $12 BTN with Q J. V $40. Hero calls IP.

Flop ($80): A 10 3. V $60. Hero calls.

Turn ($200): A 10 3 J. V $132. Hero calls.

River ($464):A 10 3 J 6. V $305. Hero jams $1170. V snaps.

Think this hand is a very clear river jam vs this V in practice, don’t want to get too heavy on the strat.

At this point I’d been playing for a couple days consecutively and was literally just about to call it and take a nap so tough to get sent to the showers here by K Q as the last hand.

This is the life I chose or something like that
If the assumption is that villain only defends river with KQ (12 combos) and folds everything else, then this bluff is printing money.

Do you think villain defends sets and AJ against that river jam?
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