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WTF spot AQo in BB vs L/RR multiple dynamics, 1/2 WTF spot AQo in BB vs L/RR multiple dynamics, 1/2

07-28-2012 , 02:30 AM
Reads: This is the 2nd time I've played with UTG+1. He and I played for a while together 3-4 months ago. I recall only one hand specifically with villain, where I limped KK EP with intention of raising but it ended up a limp pot 4 or 5 ways, and villain fired moderately sized bets on flop, turn and river with a weird middle pair hand and I won with my disguised overpair. Tonight is a different story. He has rocked up quite a bit since we last played together, perhaps due to bad cards. He has been very snug tonight which is a surprising change up since we last tangled.

This is also the 2nd time I've played with CO. He is a definite fish, we played 2/5 together recently. 1 major hand we played vs each other I opened over a limper for $35 with AK, he 3B me to $110 and I shipped for $220 total (his shortstack) and he instacalled with A10 and won. He plays way too many hands and calls way too much and I believe he has been stacked once or twice just previous to this hand. Plays dominated hands without care and no regard for position or anyone elses hand.

Table dynamic: the table has been pretty determined to play limp pots and I have been denying them with some frequency. Almost every hand I play I have raised and followed up post flop, some with all-ins. I should have a TAG profile to anyone who is paying attention, doubt these 2 are. Previous to this hand I have popped a bunch of limpers from the BB with solid hands twice that did not go to showdown. I get the feeling that the table is getting annoyed at this.

Possible tell: I am still new to live poker and thus I'm not great at picking up live tells. In fact, up to this point I have noticed almost none, or at least none I put any confidence in. In this hand, after UTG+1 limps I look over at him at the right time and I pickup a look of what I believe to be genuine disinterest in the hand. He's casually riffling chips in the palm of his hand while looking across the room, not at the table.

UTG+1 limps
3 limps
CO limps
SB limp
I look at AQ in BB and raise to $22
UTG+1 ships his $105 stack very quickly
CO calls $105 very quickly and has very little behind, perhaps $10

Hero ... ? What is going on here?
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07-28-2012 , 03:08 AM
I think hero is behind, but pehaps he has enough equity to call.

Let's assume all the money is going in if Hero plays (ie the tiny side pot get put in preflop)

Hero is going to owe $105 + $10 - $22 = $93 to call. The total pot would be $8 from the limpers +105 +115 +22 +93 = $343. Hero needs 27% equity to call.

If either villain has QQ+ or AK, hero isn't going to have proper odds to call, though it isn't a total disaster unless someone has pocket aces or its AK vs KK/QQ vs Hero's AQ.

We have the opening limper reraise all-in. Classically this is AA or maybe KK. Hero reads UTG+1 as rocky. Perhaps he might be frusterated and ready to take a final stand, perhaps he might be much more observant than Hero thinks and is targeting Hero's aggressive nature. Overall, I think we have to strongly weight UTG+1's range to QQ+, AK - - exactly the hands Hero fears.

We have CO, who shows evidence of being a weak player limp and then call almost all-in. Let range him AJo+, ATs+, suited broadways and any pair.

I just don't see Hero having enough equity to call. For a call to be profitable we are going to need a significant "bluff" element for the limp/raise all-in play and that just isn't the case given Hero's rocky read for that villain.

I think it is a fold -=- DrStrange
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07-28-2012 , 03:59 AM
fold. hope you did cuz no way you were good here.
prob vs at least TT+ and AQ, AK
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07-28-2012 , 04:28 AM
from this villain, range is JJ+, AKss. you are crushed. fold
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07-28-2012 , 02:44 PM
gets to showdown... utg1 announces "nothing" dejectedly and almost instamucks his hand. co turns over 78 for the winner. board QJ77x
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07-28-2012 , 03:47 PM
Where is this game and are these two fish still playing? I'll be right over.
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07-28-2012 , 04:02 PM
Grand Victoria, Elgin IL. $8 rake.
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07-28-2012 , 05:12 PM
Wow 78?? you are in a game sir! Reminds me of this one time - An old guy at the table was going on and on and on about the bad beat. He was telling people to take phones off the table and napkins to not disqualify the bad beat.

He was so caught up in this thing that he calls a limp re-raise of $60 in mid position with 78s. Let's just say he didn't win and the bad beat never hit.
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07-28-2012 , 05:26 PM
There is not even a BBJ. This ones just a megafish.
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07-30-2012 , 10:40 PM
Anymore feedback here? Hand felt pretty gross. Still not sure what the right decision is, but I see everyone saying fold, and I did fold, so maybe I'm just being RO after seeing SD.

I guess another thing that's bothering me in this hand is for the first time I noticed a tell that I put a decent amount of confidence in and then didn't follow through on it, but was right. When the action got to me my thought process was pretty simple. I allowed the perceived strength of a L/RR overpower the fact that I truly believed UTG1 was disinterested.
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07-30-2012 , 11:20 PM
I'd ship. Not giving anyone credit for a big hand here.
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07-30-2012 , 11:57 PM
shouldn't have posted results if you wanted more feedback

Last edited by ticketmaster; 07-31-2012 at 12:07 AM.
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