its probably fine, but certainly a high variance play. i kind of think preflop there is more information to get than you are giving. i haven't really seen a player who opens for 15 dollars with his entire opening range. so i don't really believe you that, this is the case. but maybe.

Ouch.... he must have been sick of you at that point to just call off with A high

Yeah it's ok. I need to learn to not do these plays and just beat them with made hands. Atleast the regs at the table now think I'm crazy.

Thanks again guys

Ouch that is a sick one. Guess he decided to take a stand after all

I'm not a fan. Not because I expected him to call with AK, but I expect his range to be much stronger than that by the river. While you've gotten him to fold rivers previously, your description of him makes him seem stationy, so I would avoid bluffing. You also have some showdown value, and your bluff targets a pretty narrow part of his range. All-in-all, I'd be content just to give this one up after I whiff the flop, and stick to value betting.

I disagree with those who say not to three bet pre. If villain is loose and opens light, I can get behind 3-betting this hand. I’d probably call and take a flop, but 3-betting can be acceptable. Flop bet makes little sense as it hits the range of such a player hands. You say he calls down loose. Let’s assume he calls your 3-bet with 40% of hands. Against your AJo you only have like 55% equity on this flop. You really want to bloat the pot like that? Moreover, what are you gonna do when he check raised your c-bet? You want to get this hand to showdown as cheaply as you can and hope ace high is good enough. The turn bet makes even less sense.

What? How do we have 55% equity otf with AJ.

Grunching so you probably already answered this....




OP, the street by street ranging in your HH is awesome but what does "When he calls I put him on random 2 card ak and below" mean?

Given your turn read (" At this point I put him on Ace high or a low pair"), your river reasoning is unclear. What Ax is he playing preflop? What SCs?

A high or low pair means any of the missed Ax, 33, 44, 77, maybe 88 and 99, 54, 53, 64, 76, 86. Some of those seem implausible.

33, 53, or any hand with a 4 improved and probably won't fold. A9, A8, A7 are behind you. So your bluff is targeting AQ, AK, Any single pair on the board with an ace (except AT if it's not a small pair), 77, maybe 88 and 99, 76, and 86. Is that right?

I put it in equilab. I gave here AJo and the donkey, er, villain, a range of 40% of hands. On this flop, hero has 55% to villains 45%.

No way V opens 40% of hands.

Hero you know this was bad, we can all stop bashing on it lol...sucks that you got called by the hand you'd expect to definitely fold, but you don't rep much with this line.

Didn’t the OP say he plays every hand and calls down light? In my experience, a person who plays every hand will call a 3-bet OOP probably with more than 40% of hands.

No. 40% is huge. Tremendous even.

He plays every hand, he doesn't open every hand. If he calls the 3b with 40% of his opening range, he probably has like 5-10% going to the flop. AJ has nowhere near 55% equity against that on a T52 flop.

If while playing $1/$2 you never try to get people to fold you will save a lot of money in the long run.

You aren’t ‘getting him to fold his entire range’ on the river.


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So you are saying, at low stakes, there are not players who limp in every hand and will limp-call 100% of the time? There are such players. If such players exist, you are saying there are not players who will call 3-bets OOP position with 40% of hands? I'd love to play in your games, because in mine there most certainly are. They feel they're "getting a good price." If the player will call 100% of the 3-bets with the hands the open with, maybe 40% is a bit high for their opening range, but it cannot be that far off.
Moreover, my point still exists. The fewer hands you give the villain, the lower the equity for the hero on the flop. If Villain opens 30% (55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o) of hands, then we only have 50% equity on the flop.
Drop villain down to 25% of hands (55+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo) and he has more equity than we do on this flop making it a check back.

The bold is key, especially at 1/2, and is something that I struggle with at times when card dead. I just get bored and try to force action to get involved. Deffo not the way to get the $ at low stakes, especially games capped at 100 bb's.

Wat? I'm talking about the specific V in this hand. He opened to 15 from MP this hand. If he's raising 40%+, pretty sure OP would've mentioned that.

Your conclusion is correct though, even if V is opening pretty light, his range is ahead of AJ on this flop.

I think multistreet bluffing has its place at 1-2 / 1-3 and in fact can be exceedingly profitable. The best is a certain kind of somewhat aware reg, somewhat inclined to set-mining and playing strong hands preflop, who will call the flop because they know you're cbetting, maybe call the turn because top pair is still a pretty good hand, but never call the river with one pair because top pair isn't a hand you ever want to play for stacks. Better yet by the turn the board's usually scary so they'll raise their sets and you can abandon the bluff.

So you're often making money from your PFR, from your cbet, and sometimes from your turn bet. You pay off stacks when they have a set, but more often they have one pair and fold. This player profile is pretty common and pretty profitable if you don't go to the well too often so it's obvious.


But... that has nothing to do with the player described in the OP!

Meh. I have sort of a problem with the 3B pre against a stationy tired type of player. If I'm going to put in 12% of my stack preflop I like to stick to a pretty snug range like AQs+, AKo, and JJ+. I much prefer calling here and playing poker on the flop while only investing 4% of our stack. Also if we flop huge, like top two or a straight villain is stacking off anyway. Not saying 3betting AJo pre is bad, but given the stakes and player type it just seems like a high variance, low equity play.

Flop texture is actually way better for hero than villain. Hero doesn’t have 55 or 22 and some weaker Tx but he has AK and all the overpairs. Villain is going to have a lot more suited connector and broadway type hands that whiffed as well. Villain is also unable to realize his equity with hands like 77 etc unless he’s just going to blindly stack off with hands like that.

Cbet is probably good exploitatively against weak passive players, turn is getting a bit dicey but since we sized small on flop maybe villain is wide enough that it’s not too terrible.

River is a punt. People don’t drive to the casino to fold and in my experience we just aren’t getting that many folds on this runout. Against a station my river bluffing frequency is actually zero.

His opening range and his 3-bet calling range arent the same. They never are

It's an interesting point that I'm glad you brought up but sentences like that always make me think people are "majoring in the minors" for playing small stakes, especially given Villain's description here. He's falling asleep in between hands. He's likely not thinking, "You know, this flop actually isn't that great for my range and even though in this hand I have 77 I'll have trouble realizing my equity." There's nothing wrong wita h playing your own specific hand in a wildly unbalanced way when your opponent isn't thinking effectively about ranges.

I think your reasoning for barreling twice and giving up is probably good against this V though.

Pardon me being blunt, but I hope this helps: This is how scared money justifies being scared money instead of maximizing win.

What does "low equity play" mean? If it maximizes EV we should make the play. If it doesn't maximize EV we should make a different play. We shouldn't turn down max-EV plays and fold instead (0 EV from that point) because the max-EV is measured in cents.

Generally it's assumed in this forums that you play games for which you're "bankrolled" (emotionally, recreationally, whatever), so decreasing variance at the cost of win is beside the point.

It has nothing to do with bankroll but rather our hand strength vs villains opening range. A 7.5 BB ep open from even a loose player should set off some red flags that he has some sort of premium hand. AJo is not a strong enough hand to be shoveling in 12 percent of our stack vs. a 1/2 ep openers range and we are essentially flipping with any pair and in this case are completely dominated by a better ace.