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Old 01-01-2019, 01:35 PM   #22826
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Yeah, that's very low. That tells me that you are likely passing up on a lot if +EV spots.

How can u assume that? It’s probably true just curious
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:56 PM   #22827
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Similar life story this year to dizzy - new house, newly single, increased workload and a serious shoulder injury limited my hours. Mostly $2/5 NLHE with a smattering of $1/2 (ran at expectation more or less), got smashed in one session of PLO and and one session of $5/10 NLHE which affected the final numbers.

Thankfully the fine people of LLSNL allowed me to crush the 1/1 game at the meetup in June. Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:10 PM   #22828
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Yeah, that's very low. That tells me that you are likely passing up on a lot if +EV spots.
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How can u assume that? It’s probably true just curious
Because you have to be folding a lot of winners to so rarely be calling with losers and also are likely not getting a lot of money in with the best of it with cards to come. If you were, you'd experience larger swings, because you'd win more on average but sometimes get sucked out on.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:27 PM   #22829
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Since May 2017. This year starts at hour 669. Year was rough. I think I lost my poker innocence this year. Made me realize I'd be much happier with an actual job when I graduate. So that's the goal. Find a job and play 2/5 on the side. Maybe 5/10 eventually if I advance myself in my career and get good enough to be +EV at that level.

Profit: $11690
Hours: 795.5
Hourly: $14.70

All 1/2 and 1/3 except for a single 2/5 session. 90% of the volume is in Vegas.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:44 PM   #22830
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Because you have to be folding a lot of winners to so rarely be calling with losers and also are likely not getting a lot of money in with the best of it with cards to come. If you were, you'd experience larger swings, because you'd win more on average but sometimes get sucked out on.
Ah okay thank you that makes sense! I appreciate the explanation

So overall you think I “should” be winning more? I mean I’m at like 4.5bb/hr but definitely want to improve

I Think the biggest “downswing” I went on was like 4 but ins
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:45 PM   #22831
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Since May 2017. This year starts at hour 669. Year was rough. I think I lost my poker innocence this year. Made me realize I'd be much happier with an actual job when I graduate. So that's the goal. Find a job and play 2/5 on the side. Maybe 5/10 eventually if I advance myself in my career and get good enough to be +EV at that level.

Profit: $11690
Hours: 795.5
Hourly: $14.70

All 1/2 and 1/3 except for a single 2/5 session. 90% of the volume is in Vegas.

Thanks for sharing! Very similar to my results haha
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:10 PM   #22832
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Yeah, that's very low. That tells me that you are likely passing up on a lot if +EV spots.
Do i get this wrong or do you mean the standard deviation of 111$/h is low?
Do you mean for 1/3?
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:14 PM   #22833
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Yes. That is very low. Anything under 50bbs/hr is low. 75 seems to be about average for players winning at a good clip, and over 100 si pretty common.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:28 PM   #22834
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Yes. That is very low. Anything under 50bbs/hr is low. 75 seems to be about average for players winning at a good clip, and over 100 si pretty common.
Maybe my poker tracker app is wrong idk? Or maybe it’s right

Is there an explanation as to why I’m winning?
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:46 PM   #22835
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Yeah. You are playing pretty nitty, but solid poker, most likely. That will win some, but wont crush, generally speaking.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:05 PM   #22836
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OK. Im just asking because a few weeks ago i asked here about my sd which is 121,25€/h at the moment. Winning 24€/h over 676h. I play(ed) mainly 1/2 but lately more 1/3 because action is getting better.

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575h since april , 22,93€/h
SD 118,67/h

What does my SD tell us?
Is it normal?
you answered...

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Suyupa, it's a bit on the high side for a winning player, but not outrageously so. Sounds like you play in a pretty wild game.
Im just a little bit confused now. Is my 60bb SD a bit high or is it a bit too low and should be between 75 and 100bb?
Or are you referring specifically to 1/3?

Not trying to change my game, just curious.
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:25 PM   #22837
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Yeah. You are playing pretty nitty, but solid poker, most likely. That will win some, but wont crush, generally speaking.
I play in the same room. My SD is a bit over 50 bbs over a similar sample size. My winrate is similar to Richard's over the sample, but I experienced a 9 buy-in downswing.

I've played in this room for years. I believe the player pool is a bit more solid on average. For comparison, I used to grind at Parx, have played plenty in Vegas/AC, and have played several times in MD/DC.
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Old 01-01-2019, 07:04 PM   #22838
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I play in the same room. My SD is a bit over 50 bbs over a similar sample size. My winrate is similar to Richard's over the sample, but I experienced a 9 buy-in downswing.

I've played in this room for years. I believe the player pool is a bit more solid on average. For comparison, I used to grind at Parx, have played plenty in Vegas/AC, and have played several times in MD/DC.
Thank you for sharing this Cannabusto! Very cool to know. As a semi -serious rec it’s also interesting to read stuff like this
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:23 PM   #22839
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I lost my BR and would prefer not to get a job to get a starting roll. I played a 8 hour session at my local B&R and played 4/8 limit holdem. The game was so easy to beat. Even the tight regs were afraid of any scare cards and refused to get thin value because they have no idea how to hand read. Of course, the rake was ridiculous and would be the only issue. The house takes 10% up to $5 plus $2 for promos. Does anyone have enough hours to show a reliable winrate with these conditions?
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:37 PM   #22840
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Isn't a great winrate for LHE considered like 1BB/hr?

Honestly, if I could make anywhere near close to $16/hr in a job, I'd probably try to avoid low stakes LHE, it just sounds soul crushing.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:38 PM   #22841
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I lost my BR and would prefer not to get a job to get a starting roll. I played a 8 hour session at my local B&R and played 4/8 limit holdem. The game was so easy to beat. Even the tight regs were afraid of any scare cards and refused to get thin value because they have no idea how to hand read. Of course, the rake was ridiculous and would be the only issue. The house takes 10% up to $5 plus $2 for promos. Does anyone have enough hours to show a reliable winrate with these conditions?
as far as im aware, 2bb/hr is considered crushing for limit games.

However, that was what I gathered from 20/40 and 40/80, where the rake is significantly smaller.

At $7/hand, fairly certain this game is unbeatable.
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Before we go down this road again: 1BB=2bb.

YGO and I are saying the same thing
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:48 PM   #22843
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as far as im aware, 2bb/hr is considered crushing for limit games.

However, that was what I gathered from 20/40 and 40/80, where the rake is significantly smaller.

At $7/hand, fairly certain this game is unbeatable.
Are we saying 2bb/hr before the rake or after?

Also, the room offers fairly good promos which favor a solid limit player as well. HH promos alone would yield about $3 an hour average over time additional plus the standard $1 paid by the room. If this is the case, it would appear as if this game would be more (or similar) profitable than many 1/2 games with 100bb max buyins. Would anyone agree?
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OK. Im just asking because a few weeks ago i asked here about my sd which is 121,25€/h at the moment. Winning 24€/h over 676h. I play(ed) mainly 1/2 but lately more 1/3 because action is getting better.



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Im just a little bit confused now. Is my 60bb SD a bit high or is it a bit too low and should be between 75 and 100bb?
Or are you referring specifically to 1/3?

Not trying to change my game, just curious.
I apologize. I thought your SD was in BBs, not Euro. At BBs, it's a tidge on the smaller side, but within a normal range for winning regs.
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I apologize. I thought your SD was in BBs, not Euro. At BBs, it's a tidge on the smaller side, but within a normal range for winning regs.
Ah ok thank you
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:49 AM   #22846
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Since May 2017. This year starts at hour 669. Year was rough. I think I lost my poker innocence this year. Made me realize I'd be much happier with an actual job when I graduate. So that's the goal. Find a job and play 2/5 on the side. Maybe 5/10 eventually if I advance myself in my career and get good enough to be +EV at that level.

Profit: $11690
Hours: 795.5
Hourly: $14.70

All 1/2 and 1/3 except for a single 2/5 session. 90% of the volume is in Vegas.
Solid results.

You're wise to realize that job>>poker at this age. I know very few people who have been able to manage that lifestyle very well, and none of the pros I know personally have a family. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's a huge opportunity cost involved, and life variance is a huge b*tch. I made a serious run at semi-pro a few years back and got so burned out that I decided to step away from poker and not return until I actually felt like playing again. I was gone for two years.

I also believe that anyone with the intelligence, adaptability, patience, work ethic, and discipline to be a winning poker player will quickly rise to the upper echelons of any chosen profession.

I'm EXTREMELY happy having a solid job that I love which pays more than enough to cover my nut. Poker is now just a hobby/side hustle that pays for vacations and all the new toys/tools I want for my woodshop. I honestly think job+poker is the most +EV option.
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Solid results.

You're wise to realize that job>>poker at this age. I know very few people who have been able to manage that lifestyle very well, and none of the pros I know personally have a family. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's a huge opportunity cost involved, and life variance is a huge b*tch. I made a serious run at semi-pro a few years back and got so burned out that I decided to step away from poker and not return until I actually felt like playing again. I was gone for two years.

I also believe that anyone with the intelligence, adaptability, patience, work ethic, and discipline to be a winning poker player will quickly rise to the upper echelons of any chosen profession.

I'm EXTREMELY happy having a solid job that I love which pays more than enough to cover my nut. Poker is now just a hobby/side hustle that pays for vacations and all the new toys/tools I want for my woodshop. I honestly think job+poker is the most +EV option.
Thanks but I'm not some fresh faced 22 yo kid I'm unfortunately 28 LOL. I did work in the bank for eight months though. Hated it and quit to try to be a online pro. But got lazy, depressed and didn't put in enough hours to make enough to move out or get good enough to progress to midstakes where a career as an online would be at least somewhat justified. So I went back to school in 2016 and here I am. I'm actually in Las Vegas right now looking for a programming job but as a Canadian it looks like unless I can network and meet the right people in person (which I don't know how I would do just from playing poker and hanging out with friends), I'm simply not gonna get in here.

But yeah, poker full time sucks. At least for me. Your hourly is probably 3x during the weekend compared to during the week anyways. Yes it would take a STUPIDLY large sample to prove that your Saturday hourly is in fact way more than your Tuesday hourly but maybe collectively we can? I would have to do some excel magic to figure out which day of the week my sessions are on.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:13 PM   #22848
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Everyone talks about weekend weekend weekend but just about everywhere except Vegas my experience has been that weekday games are actually better and all the weekend warrior nit grinders infest the games all weekend.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:36 PM   #22849
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Everyone talks about weekend weekend weekend but just about everywhere except Vegas my experience has been that weekday games are actually better and all the weekend warrior nit grinders infest the games all weekend.
Good point. I don't have nearly enough hours in this year to tell but as LRR points out maybe if we collectively look we can see a trend. Where I play I feel like the games are more splashy on the weekend which should mean higher variance but I'm not sure how that effects win rate. Here's my data for 2018 filtered by day of week:
Day - Session Count - Hours - $/Hr
Mon - 9 - 27 - $67.53
Tue - 6 - 12 - $28.61
Wed - 1 - 7 - $36.30
Thu - 8 - 17 - $49.39
Fri - 11 - 32 - (-$15.52)
Sat - 49 - 137 - $102
Sun - 7 - 22 - $33.18
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:06 PM   #22850
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Good job to everyone crushing it this year, thanks for posting guys! Also big props for Dizzy for posting his results.

My results are rather lame relative to lots of others but I'm super happy with this year (especially since rake was increased for the third straight year). 7.12 bb/hr at my 1/3 NL game over 526:30 hours, squeaking out my best hourly since 2013 (while also winning just ~slightly more than my overall hourly). Fell a little short of my normal average hours although somehow got in my second most sessions.



Fairly happy with my newish Super Nit method (smaller BI, much more tighter / passive overall, my SD this year was a lol 46.5 bb/hr), although it could easily be run goodish over lol sample size. I'll be posting some more giraffes in 37 hours when I hit 1000 hours of Super Nit.

Also funny how poker gods are mainly at the controls. So I'm playing my last session of the year on New Years Eve and I've only got 2 hours left in my session before I have to leave for a party. I'm stuck a few hundred dollars and I'm doing the hour-by-hour math on my hourly and realize I'm now below my best hourly since 2013. But then the biggest maniac in the room sits down. Here we go. He blows thru two BIs in his first 2 hands but then builds up a monster stack. I finally get AA. And he... open folds preflop. Literally the first hand he's folded in an hour at the table (raising 50% of them), obviously balancing his range no doubt, but I sigh take down $10 preflop. Anyhoo, onwards. We play another hour and I can't get into a single pot, and now the floor comes over with racks for his massive stack and says his table change has come in. Ug. So he plays two more hands as he's stacking his mountain of chips and in both hands... I get dealt AA. I double up thru him on my first hand, and then take down $100 preflop on the next. And that's it, he goes over to his other table, and I book an ok session profit and ship my best year since 2013.

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