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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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09-17-2018 , 08:26 PM

#22326

cannabusto

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I can see it. Great start.

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09-17-2018 , 09:20 PM

#22327

homerdash

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09-17-2018 , 11:06 PM

#22328

DumbosTrunk

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Nice graph! You're definitely a winning player. Pretty good sample size. Maybe reevaluate when you get up to 1k hours. Always look for ways to improve your game. Do you have any goals? Like hourly or bb/hr?

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09-18-2018 , 04:42 AM

#22329

XXX555666

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Thank you! I would love to get to like 7bb/hr long term.

\Maybe move up and play 2/5 with a 1k cap!

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09-18-2018 , 06:40 AM

#22330

Katman

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Originally Posted by Richard32

Thank you! I would love to get to like 7bb/hr long term.

\Maybe move up and play 2/5 with a 1k cap!

Nice graph...just curious...is the 2+2 live forum the biggest reason for the turnaround?...or do you have other and or better study-learning methods?

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09-18-2018 , 07:37 AM

#22331

XXX555666

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Nice graph...just curious...is the 2+2 live forum the biggest reason for the turnaround?...or do you have other and or better study-learning methods?

I definitely contribute this site to an overall increase in my WR. I think something else to is that I started buying in for the max at 1/3 which is 300 where I play.

When I first started out I was buying in for about 120-140 which was a bad idea. I was definitely underrolled. Now I am more than happy with my roll and don’t let money effect my decisions at all. I think this is the biggest contributer to my recent success

I watch a lot of live at the bike as well.

No training sites or anything.

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09-18-2018 , 10:43 AM

#22332

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead

Respectable win rate. Better than vast majority of your player pool.

You really need a bigger sample, but so far off to a solid start.

Congrats

+1

Gcongrats,imoG

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09-18-2018 , 11:00 AM

#22333

stlows

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 224

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Originally Posted by Richard32

Can anyone else not see the graph I just posted?

I can see it, but it's not looking like a 600 hours graph, I only see to 200.

Maybe you have a problem with your axis, cause I see you're up around 6.5k which would yield to your 11$/hr

EDIT: nvm axis = sessions. Good results sir keep it up !

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09-18-2018 , 12:56 PM

#22334

DumbosTrunk

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Originally Posted by Richard32

I definitely contribute this site to an overall increase in my WR. I think something else to is that I started buying in for the max at 1/3 which is 300 where I play.

When I first started out I was buying in for about 120-140 which was a bad idea. I was definitely underrolled. Now I am more than happy with my roll and don’t let money effect my decisions at all. I think this is the biggest contributer to my recent success

I watch a lot of live at the bike as well.

No training sites or anything.

As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment.

If you haven't, wouldn't hurt to read a couple cash game books. I like Ed Miller, Harrington, and Matthew Janda.

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09-18-2018 , 01:36 PM

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XXX555666

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[QUOTE=DumbosTrunk;54276624]As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment

Ya I agree.

I only watch the Friday show because those guys are great.

I love the Vloggers as well

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09-18-2018 , 01:49 PM

#22336

DumbosTrunk

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[QUOTE=Richard32;54276781]

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment

Ya I agree.

I only watch the Friday show because those guys are great.

I love the Vloggers as well

Rly? What's the Friday show? Is it streamed free?

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09-18-2018 , 02:00 PM

#22337

XXX555666

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[QUOTE=DumbosTrunk;54276827]

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Rly? What's the Friday show? Is it streamed free?

It’s high stakes very good players. Yes it’s free on YouTube!

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09-18-2018 , 02:59 PM

#22338

stlows

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

[...]
If you haven't, wouldn't hurt to read a couple cash game books. I like Ed Miller, Harrington, and Matthew Janda.

+1. I loved Ed's book. I read The course and Poker's 1%

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09-19-2018 , 05:10 AM

#22339

bodybuilder32

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Curious to know what some 2/5 players biggest downswing has been. I'm currently on a 6.5k downswing and keep getting coolered and running extremely cold. I'm a conservative player so the variance has been much greater than average.

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09-19-2018 , 07:07 AM

#22340

GatorXP

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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

Giraffe peas

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09-19-2018 , 07:27 AM

#22341

bodybuilder32

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I only keep my stats with paper and pen in a notebook. I've lost my laptop and cell phone before with all my stats so I keep it pretty old school.

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09-19-2018 , 07:32 AM

#22342

bodybuilder32

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Another question:

How many hours do you think is necessary to assess your true win rate? I've seen 1000 hours thrown around but wasn't sure if that number is too low to account for all the variance in live poker. It seems like a couple of long doomsday downswing clustered together and long breakeven stretches of 300 hours + can skew your win rate down by close to 50 percent of what is expected.

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09-19-2018 , 08:53 AM

#22343

Garick

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please search this thread. Both questions have come up before.

Clifs: You will never know your true winrate, but the more hours you have the more you can tighten your 95% confidence interval to get a "my winrate is 95% likely to be between X and Y" answer.

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09-19-2018 , 09:14 AM

#22344

iraisetoomuch

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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

I only keep my stats with paper and pen in a notebook. I've lost my laptop and cell phone before with all my stats so I keep it pretty old school.

Google sheets though

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09-19-2018 , 09:32 AM

#22345

samo

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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

I'd suggest limiting your session loss to a 2 BI max while going through this downswing.

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09-19-2018 , 10:02 AM

#22346

MikeStarr

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My biggest downswing is about 8 buy ins. What I think is more important though is some measure of your biggest downswing divided by your win rate or even with your StnDev figured in...or something like that.

Clearly the more aggro you are and higher StnDev you have, the bigger the possible downswings are. The higher your overall win rate is, the less often and less steep your downswings will be.

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09-19-2018 , 10:14 AM

#22347

setintostraight

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Given the difference between card rooms, I often wondered if there's a standard "buy-in".

Is it 100BBs at your stake? Is it the max buy-in for the game that you're playing?

Which one is it.

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09-19-2018 , 11:18 AM

#22348

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by setintostraight

Given the difference between card rooms, I often wondered if there's a standard "buy-in".

Is it 100BBs at your stake? Is it the max buy-in for the game that you're playing?

Which one is it.

I assume when someone says they are stuck 6.5 buy ins, they mean 650BBs. If not, they should specify what they really mean.

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09-19-2018 , 11:23 AM

#22349

genghiskan

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He specifically said 6.5K, not 6.5 buy ins.

Wins and losses (including downswings) should be measured in terms of BB, not buy ins, to avoid any confusion, imo.

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09-19-2018 , 11:29 AM

#22350

Dizzyqtp

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ya, never got the point of quoting in buy-ins at all since it varies person to person; just say $ or bb's

just filtered for 2/5 only; looks like my biggest downswing is ~7.5k; with a few others in the 5-6k range also (w/ a few much larger downswings if you include larger games). It happens.

I would definitely not consider myself a conservative player though lol...

edit: since I buy in for 200bb that's only 7.5 buy-ins

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