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Old 09-08-2018, 03:06 PM   #22326
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Glgl! First time? If you're grinding 1/2 and 1/3 feel free to ask me questions. I've played probably over 1k hours in Vegas over the last two summers.
Thanks! First time as a poker player yes. Only other time I went I was a drunk fish.

Where’d you stay? Trying to reduce costs. I will not have a car. Right now choosing between Airbnb for $300 for two weeks or 2p2er who rents to a bunch of us for slightly more but I’ll be surrounded by Vegas grinders.

Can I short stack profitably?

Which casinos have the softest games? Time of day matter?

Anything else you care to share?

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Old 09-08-2018, 03:28 PM   #22327
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This isn't the thread for that discussion, guys. Either take it to PM or to the LVL forum, please, and let's keep this thread on topic.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:33 PM   #22328
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Have you or anyone else tried to ss at 2/5? Results?
What's considered ss?
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A well orchestrated short stack strategy can win but is suboptimal.

My guess is a short stack at 2/5 earns about the same or less as full stacked 1/3 with waaaay more variance


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IME, and depending on what you consider short stacked, this may not be true. My local 2/5 games have a max BI of 200 BB. I have frequently bought in "short" for only 100 BB and my typical BI is 120-160 BB. I haven't seen a significant difference in win rate from 100 BB to 200 BB (although I'll admit I have a small sample size that gets smaller as my BIs get larger, 113 total sessions). But if you're talking about less than 100 BB that could be very true.

I have been meaning to ask this question myself. Clearly at some point buying short WILL effect your win rate. How short is too short? Is buying 100 BB in a 200 BB max game impacting my win rate more than I suspect? I mean I get that I'll make less in "play for stacks" hands but they are rare spots for me. And I can also lose more in those same spots.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:39 PM   #22329
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IME, and depending on what you consider short stacked, this may not be true. My local 2/5 games have a max BI of 200 BB. I have frequently bought in "short" for only 100 BB and my typical BI is 120-160 BB. I haven't seen a significant difference in win rate from 100 BB to 200 BB (although I'll admit I have a small sample size that gets smaller as my BIs get larger, 113 total sessions). But if you're talking about less than 100 BB that could be very true.



I have been meaning to ask this question myself. Clearly at some point buying short WILL effect your win rate. How short is too short? Is buying 100 BB in a 200 BB max game impacting my win rate more than I suspect? I mean I get that I'll make less in "play for stacks" hands but they are rare spots for me. And I can also lose more in those same spots.


I would consider a short stack less than 80bbs. I consider 100bbs to be an average size.


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Old 09-10-2018, 03:06 PM   #22330
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Short stacked is anything less than 60bb imo.
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Old 09-10-2018, 04:33 PM   #22331
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Being able to play deep stacked is where a huge % of edge comes from. My three biggest winning sessions (which together account for ~18% of my lifetime winnings) came from being 300+bb deep with bad players and 'coolering' them - cooler in quotes cause it wouldn't have happened in reverse.

People are a lot better at 100bb poker than 300bb poker
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:17 PM   #22332
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Being able to play deep stacked is where a huge % of edge comes from. My three biggest winning sessions (which together account for ~18% of my lifetime winnings) came from being 300+bb deep with bad players and 'coolering' them - cooler in quotes cause it wouldn't have happened in reverse.

People are a lot worse at 300bb poker than 100bb poker
FYP

Kinda the same thing but you get the idea. Being "better" kind of implies they are good in the first place.
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:12 AM   #22333
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I made 4€ in just under an hour playing in Europe for the first time yesterday.

Greek poker =/= American poker. We’re lucky here. If you’re interested in the details: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...64/index3.html.
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Old 09-11-2018, 04:13 PM   #22334
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Thinking about when to move to 2/5.

I’m a rec player who thinks about the game (a little), reads books and listens to strategy podcasts, but doesn’t “study” in any real sense of the term. I am gainfully employed outside of poker and have no delusions of going pro. (I might have delusions about augmenting my income with poker in retirement.) But I’m competitive and like to win.

Reasons to move up:

20k roll (no life expenses come out of my roll)
Beating 1/2
Boston-area casino will open in a year and games should be good for a while, get my feet wet at 2/5 now

Reasons not to move up:
Much (60%?) of the roll won in super soft private NLHE games that don’t run anymore, and a soft dealers choice limit home game
Beating 1/2 “casino” (& NH charity room) games for (cringe) just over 3BB/hr (1150 hrs), this probably sounds like torture to a lot of you but i enjoy myself
2/5 is the biggest game in the NH rooms currently available to me, so presumably where all the best players are
Losing bums me out and I will probably lose for a while, at least

what say ye all?
Staying in 1/2 and studying is the safe, conventional answer.

Honestly, though, I'd move up with that bankroll. It will give you a major incentive to take the game much more seriously, and I would bet that your skill would accelerate at a much higher rate in such an environment. 1/2 is really conducive to picking up some bad habits that you're never really forced to outgrow.
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Old 09-17-2018, 06:52 PM   #22335
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[IMG], on Flickr[/IMG]

What do you guys think of this life time graph? Strictly a 1/2 and 1/3 player. I have played 611 hours life time.

Cashed 89/153 sessions

Winning $11.13/hr currently

Over my last 498 hours I am winning $16.11 an hour-that is since 7/7/17

Started out a losing player at first.

Overall thoughts and opinions on this?

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Old 09-17-2018, 07:22 PM   #22336
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[IMG], on Flickr[/IMG]

What do you guys think of this life time graph? Strictly a 1/2 and 1/3 player. I have played 611 hours life time.

Cashed 89/153 sessions

Winning $11.13/hr currently

Over my last 498 hours I am winning $16.11 an hour-that is since 7/7/17

Started out a losing player at first.

Overall thoughts and opinions on this?
Can't see the graph.

Respectable win rate. Better than vast majority of your player pool.

You really need a bigger sample, but so far off to a solid start.

Congrats

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Old 09-17-2018, 08:21 PM   #22337
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Can anyone else not see the graph I just posted?
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:26 PM   #22338
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I can see it. Great start.
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:20 PM   #22339
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:06 PM   #22340
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Nice graph! You're definitely a winning player. Pretty good sample size. Maybe reevaluate when you get up to 1k hours. Always look for ways to improve your game. Do you have any goals? Like hourly or bb/hr?
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:42 AM   #22341
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Nice graph! You're definitely a winning player. Pretty good sample size. Maybe reevaluate when you get up to 1k hours. Always look for ways to improve your game. Do you have any goals? Like hourly or bb/hr?
Thank you! I would love to get to like 7bb/hr long term.

\Maybe move up and play 2/5 with a 1k cap!
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Old 09-18-2018, 06:40 AM   #22342
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Thank you! I would love to get to like 7bb/hr long term.

\Maybe move up and play 2/5 with a 1k cap!
Nice graph...just curious...is the 2+2 live forum the biggest reason for the turnaround?...or do you have other and or better study-learning methods?
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:37 AM   #22343
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Nice graph...just curious...is the 2+2 live forum the biggest reason for the turnaround?...or do you have other and or better study-learning methods?
I definitely contribute this site to an overall increase in my WR. I think something else to is that I started buying in for the max at 1/3 which is 300 where I play.

When I first started out I was buying in for about 120-140 which was a bad idea. I was definitely underrolled. Now I am more than happy with my roll and don’t let money effect my decisions at all. I think this is the biggest contributer to my recent success

I watch a lot of live at the bike as well.

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:43 AM   #22344
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Respectable win rate. Better than vast majority of your player pool.

You really need a bigger sample, but so far off to a solid start.

Congrats
+1

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Old 09-18-2018, 11:00 AM   #22345
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Can anyone else not see the graph I just posted?
I can see it, but it's not looking like a 600 hours graph, I only see to 200.

Maybe you have a problem with your axis, cause I see you're up around 6.5k which would yield to your 11$/hr

EDIT: nvm axis = sessions. Good results sir keep it up !
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:56 PM   #22346
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I definitely contribute this site to an overall increase in my WR. I think something else to is that I started buying in for the max at 1/3 which is 300 where I play.

When I first started out I was buying in for about 120-140 which was a bad idea. I was definitely underrolled. Now I am more than happy with my roll and don’t let money effect my decisions at all. I think this is the biggest contributer to my recent success

I watch a lot of live at the bike as well.


No training sites or anything.
As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment.

If you haven't, wouldn't hurt to read a couple cash game books. I like Ed Miller, Harrington, and Matthew Janda.
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[QUOTE=DumbosTrunk;54276624]As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment

Ya I agree.

I only watch the Friday show because those guys are great.

I love the Vloggers as well
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As someone else told me, LATB is not a good way to learn solid poker. If you pay attention, you'll quickly notice that many if not most of the players are just loose gamblers. Better to watch Neeme and other vloggers if you are going to watch something semi-educational. LATB is just entertainment

Ya I agree.

I only watch the Friday show because those guys are great.

I love the Vloggers as well
Rly? What's the Friday show? Is it streamed free?
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Rly? What's the Friday show? Is it streamed free?
It’s high stakes very good players. Yes it’s free on YouTube!
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:59 PM   #22350
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If you haven't, wouldn't hurt to read a couple cash game books. I like Ed Miller, Harrington, and Matthew Janda.
+1. I loved Ed's book. I read The course and Poker's 1%
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