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Old 12-06-2017, 03:00 PM   #20151
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So everyone that plays poker lives and plays in SFL / Vegas / LA?

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Are you familiar with the Bravo app?
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:04 PM   #20152
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So every butthole town (let alone the bigger cities) in the states where poker is played has a 35 table room going 24 hours offering unlimited games/stakes?

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:05 PM   #20153
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Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.
on friday/saturday evenings there are times where there are eight 2/5 games at my home casino. my room has 46 tables. last night there were roughly 30 games total going at 9 PM.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:06 PM   #20154
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So everyone that plays poker lives and plays in SFL / Vegas / LA?

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IN BAL/DC, the rooms have 25, 52 and 39 tables. The 39 table room will be expanding sometime next year because it is so frequently at or near capacity. The 25 and 52 are rarely full, but they are not ghost towns either. Currently, 2pm Wednesday, active tables are 19/39, 18/52, 13/25.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:08 PM   #20155
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Are you familiar with the Bravo app?
At our peak, we had just 1 of the 7 rooms in our area use that app (that room is now defunct).

All's I'm saying is that it is my guess that rinky dink cardrooms outnumber big rooms by a rather large margin. And rinky dink cardrooms are supported by recreational regs (otherwise they'd quickly go under), and time of day / day doesn't make a whole heckuva lotta difference.

ETA: Although from the last few posts it certainly looks like I might be in the minority (at least with regards to posters on here) with regards to the type of room I play in.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:08 PM   #20156
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So every butthole town (let alone the bigger cities) in the states where poker is played has a 35 table room going 24 hours offering unlimited games/stakes?

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if 50 tables are running in 1 casino and 5 tables are running in 2 other casinos, then 5/6 of players in these casinos are playing in a very busy room.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:09 PM   #20157
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In cities with one casino you'll get a lot more than 5 tables. Toledo OH, Battle Creek, that place in North PA, Tampa, etc. All more than that.

In places with several casinos you might get more dilution. We have 3 casinos in Detroit. 2 are really busy (one insanely so) with 10-20 tables at a time. One is kind of slow. Then we have dozens of smaller rooms with 1-3 tables at at time (think about a game in your local bowling alley).


I've also seen a significant difference in game conditions based on the time of day and day off week. Weekends are better with more recs, more drinking (even among regulars), and more money getting tossed around. Same with later in the evening. A table at 11am on a Tuesday is more likely to have a bunch of old bastards with coffee playing nitty. A night game is not. They're both super beatable, just in different ways.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:16 PM   #20158
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This isn't politics.

Right this moment, if you take the tables in the bravo app and if the number currently running is 5 or less, put them in one column and 6 or greater in the other, the "greater" column would sum to 60% of the total.

- Some of the busiest rooms in the US don't use bravo.
- 2pm EST Wednesday is prejudicial toward quiet rooms.

Pretty sure this is all obvious???
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:27 PM   #20159
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This isn't politics.

Right this moment, if you take the tables in the bravo app and if the number currently running is 5 or less, put them in one column and 6 or greater in the other, the "greater" column would sum to 60% of the total.

- Some of the busiest rooms in the US don't use bravo.
- 2pm EST Wednesday is prejudicial toward quiet rooms.

Pretty sure this is all obvious???
this. it's not really a debate.

in the philly area:
Parx: 45 tables; currently 20 games
Sugarhouse: 28 tables; currently 6 games
Sands: 27 tables; currently 16 games
Harrah's: 28 tables; currently 6 games

and this is 2pm on a Wednesday - the # of games will vastly go up in the evening and on the weekends.

and then you also have Borgata in Atlantic City with like 70+ tables.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:00 PM   #20160
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So this is what it is like in every city / town in the US? I know for a fact it isn't since I've been to a few of the rooms in the neighbouring big US city, and they have rooms both slightly bigger and about the same size as mine. Just Bravo'd one of its bigger popular indian casinos, and it currently has a single 1/3 NL game going.

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:01 PM   #20161
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There is no convincing GG. He just likes to debate his side, right or wrong. Usually wrong.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:04 PM   #20162
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So this is what it is like in every city / town in the US? I know for a fact it isn't since I've been to a few of the rooms in the neighbouring big US city, and they have rooms both slightly bigger and about the same size as mine. Just Bravo'd one of its bigger popular indian casinos, and it currently has a single 1/3 NL game going.

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:08 PM   #20163
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Calling the Sands (in Bethlehem) Philly area is a bit of a stretch, Borgata is probably closer, but agree that Philly has become a great place for poker.


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Old 12-06-2017, 04:17 PM   #20164
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So this is what it is like in every city / town in the US? I know for a fact it isn't since I've been to a few of the rooms in the neighbouring big US city, and they have rooms both slightly bigger and about the same size as mine. Just Bravo'd one of its bigger popular indian casinos, and it currently has a single 1/3 NL game going.

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If for every room that has one table running there is a room with 19 tables running, 95% of players play in 'bigger' rooms.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:17 PM   #20165
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Calling the Sands (in Bethlehem) Philly area is a bit of a stretch, Borgata is probably closer, but agree that Philly has become a great place for poker.


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ya this is fair, but close enough for my point lol.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:20 PM   #20166
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I wonder how many tables that casino with 1 table at 2pm on a Wednesday will have on Friday night ...


The smaller rooms usually see a larger difference between day and evening, weekend and weekday, than the larger rooms do IME.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:31 PM   #20167
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If for every room that has one table running there is a room with 19 tables running, 95% of players play in 'bigger' rooms.
It would take far much more research than I'm willing to put into it, but what is the ratio between small poker rooms and big card rooms? I mean, how many 35+ table rooms are there in the US, especially outside the hotspots mentioned here? Now balance that out with hick 5 table rooms in every hick town. If the hick rooms outnumber the big rooms by a large margin (which would be my guess), then it could quickly be the case that more people play at smaller rooms.

FWIW, *every* single person in my province plays in a small card room because there is not a single big one. My guess is that statement applies to every province (with perhaps some exceptions, I'll admit ignorance to that).

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:33 PM   #20168
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It's a shame nobody addressed that question up thread. Like did a count in bravo or something crazy like that.

Such a shame.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:48 PM   #20169
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Yeah, cuz Bravo lists every hick room.

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:58 PM   #20170
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Yeah, cuz Bravo lists every hick room.

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It's a shame that wasn't addressed up thread either.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:43 PM   #20171
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It's a shame that wasn't addressed up thread either.
No it isn't because you're assuming big rooms vs small rooms would use / would not use Bravo at the same percentage. I have no idea how Bravo works, but I'm guessing (???) it would have to be paid by that room, with my guess being that it wouldn't make financial sense for most small rooms to use it.

The fact that there is 1 room listed on Bravo within 100 miles of me when there are upwards of a dozen rooms (with that 1 room being listed being likely the biggest room) would suggest this.

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Old 12-06-2017, 06:08 PM   #20172
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Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

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My room is 8 tables. Usually 1 goes in a.m. weekdays. 2-3 tables Mon - Wed evenings, 5 tables in Thursday evenings, 6-7 tables on Fri & Sat nights. I don't really play Sunday.

It's the only card room within > of 120 miles each way. Imo there is a huge difference between the weekend and weekday/evening crowd.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:16 PM   #20173
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Pretty sure I live in GG's city. One of the largest in the frozen North. 5 rooms in metro area. 3 rooms combined have about 12 total NLHE tables (and 3 wild PLO tables). The two larger rooms have around 6-8 tables on a weeknight, up to a max of 10 tables on weekends only. Often just a single 2/5 game in the last 2 rooms only, all the rest 1/3; a second 2/5 table usually opens on a weekend (last Friday the 2nd 2/5 game died out around 1 am).

Of the two larger rooms, one is in a different building than the actual casino, hence no crossover traffic. The other room, you can't bring liquor into the poker room (long boring story). There's also no TVs or music in the 2nd room. Waitlists on weekends are always 2+ hours; it is literally impossible for a random to walk in and play.

2 pm on a weekday, there may be 10 tables going in the entire metro area. On any given weeknight at least 7 of the 10 seats (yes, our tables are 10-handed) at 2/5 are populated by the same players. That's actually not too far off the ratio in the 1/3 as well. Waitlists on the average night are easily over an hour, so again, only someone who knew to call in, came in an hour later, and had the patience to wait on top of all that will get into the game. IOW, the opposite of "action". By the time all those hurdles are crossed, 90% of the players who are left have some passable level of poker knowledge. Anyone else walked out of the poker room and can be found playing roulette.

(To make matters more grim, tips are pooled in all the casinos, so gl getting more than 25 hands/hour. And fwiw, rake is 7+1.)

If this sounds lke a very different experience than what you are used to, it probably is! I see photos of Playground or Commerce/Bike and it is miles away from my experience. I'm totally jealous that a 'decent-sized but not a poker Mecca city' like philly has a hundred tables. I'll watch a poker vlog from a guy in (to me) a random US city like St. Louis and wonder how in the world I can get noobs like the ones he has in basically every vlog to come to my game.

Until this thread from today, I had no idea Philly had so many games. Ditto AC. Perhaps like GG, I assumed that outside of LA and a bit of LV, most cities had just a few, small poker rooms. All I can do is imagine what your scene is like, because it is so different that we are talking about qualitative, not just quantitative, changes in game conditions. I'd feel like a kid in a candy store if I was suddenly dropped into a casino with a 30+ table poker room. (And you may feel like a kid forced to swallow medicine if you ever come visit up here.)
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:25 PM   #20174
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^^^^

And are those conditions much different from those in the state directly below us? I've had very limited exposure to those games, but from what I understand its not that much difference (in terms of room size, especially the smaller ones). I think G (and perhaps one or two others on this forum) is from that area and might know better.

And are those conditions much different from the rest of the province (where 1 or 2 table rooms are likely all that can be supported in most towns)?

And are those conditions much different from the rest of the country, apart from perhaps the few exceptions?

And while there are obviously some huge rooms down in some parts of the US (above posters have clearly pointed this out, I'm not arguing that they don't exist), I'd be shocked if that was the "normal" case in most cities in most states, especially the smaller ones.

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Old 12-06-2017, 06:47 PM   #20175
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We don't have casinos everywhere in the US. There are places that have them like we've listed, but then there are spots where there is *one* legal room for a hundred miles. Rooms like that tend to have more traffic, and more discrepancy between weekdays and weekends.
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