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Old 04-27-2017, 04:21 PM   #18576
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unless you're dipping into your BR to fund expenses, you're plenty rolled to play some $2/5 right now.

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Old 04-27-2017, 04:23 PM   #18577
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unless you're dipping into your BR to fund expenses, you're plenty rolled to play some $2/5 right now.

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Thanks man! Yea I was dipping into it pre- January but have kept it totally segregated since then.
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Old 04-27-2017, 05:44 PM   #18578
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unless you're dipping into your BR to fund expenses, you're plenty rolled to play some $2/5 right now.

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Rolled for a shot. I wouldn't say plenty rolled tho
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Old 04-27-2017, 06:35 PM   #18579
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Rolled for a shot. I wouldn't say plenty rolled tho
Especially if he plays for a living with no job. Not close imo.

Jac's graph reminds me. I'm coming up on 1500 hours at my home room. They're all within the last 2 years. I think I'll post the total in 300 hour snippets to show the variance then post the full graph.

I was extremely fortunate to run like I did early on. Really allowed me to get off the ground with live casino poker.
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Old 04-27-2017, 06:37 PM   #18580
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Especially if he plays for a living with no job. Not close imo.

Jac's graph reminds me. I'm coming up on 1500 hours at my home room. They're all within the last 2 years. I think I'll post the total in 300 hour snippets to show the variance then post the full graph.

I was extremely fortunate to run like I did early on. Really allowed me to get off the ground with live casino poker.
Thankfully I have a job and just play as a "serious hobbyist". I am in no way reliant on income from poker.

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Old 04-27-2017, 06:44 PM   #18581
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Same boat as me, but no 2/5 for my room. Go for the 2/5 dood!
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:42 PM   #18582
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Rolled for a shot. I wouldn't say plenty rolled tho
Depends on his life/job situation.

Given his volume and that he is playing 1/2 I think it's fair assumption he isn't playing full time as a pro.

Let's face it, $2/5 isn't that much different than $1/2. More aggression but not marked difference.

Jace, I'd take 3k and use it to play 2/5 when the games look okay. If you burn though it, you drop down. Who knows? You may run great and stay at 2/5.

Best of luck.
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:51 PM   #18583
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Let's face it, $2/5 isn't that much different than $1/2. More aggression but not marked difference.
Im much more uncomfortable playing 2/5 just because i dont defend against 3bets well. Not horrible, just not a strength of mine. Quite a bit more 3betting imo
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:27 PM   #18584
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Depends on his life/job situation.

Given his volume and that he is playing 1/2 I think it's fair assumption he isn't playing full time as a pro.

Let's face it, $2/5 isn't that much different than $1/2. More aggression but not marked difference.

Jace, I'd take 3k and use it to play 2/5 when the games look okay. If you burn though it, you drop down. Who knows? You may run great and stay at 2/5.

Best of luck.
Id say there is a huge difference between 1/2 and 2/5, but probably not a huge amount in the preflop aggression area.

Jace, you know we play at the same place and from what Ive seen of your posts, you can beat 2/5. Give it a shot, Sir.
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Old 04-30-2017, 02:20 PM   #18585
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I'm seeing a few "100 hrs of live profit so I'm going pro" threads in pg&C. For all my whining about playing/running bad lately it's been over about 125 hrs and I've just been break even. It's easy to lose perspective when your volume is down. I still have over 20BI. My winrate is still >10bb/hr. This is for anyone freaking out about breakeven/downswing. It's short. It happens. Get over it.
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:08 PM   #18586
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I'm seeing a few "100 hrs of live profit so I'm going pro" threads in pg&C. For all my whining about playing/running bad lately it's been over about 125 hrs and I've just been break even. It's easy to lose perspective when your volume is down. I still have over 20BI. My winrate is still >10bb/hr. This is for anyone freaking out about breakeven/downswing. It's short. It happens. Get over it.
I do this too for the shortest of downswings. I really need to play more hours so I get through them faster and they shouldn't be stressful, or just work on my mental game.

I just passed 1000 hours of live 2|5



Profits: $41,426
Promotions: $2850
Hours: 1006.5
Win-rate: $43.99/h
SD: $465/h

My opinion of Florida games is that they are soft, but reports are exaggerated. The games I played in Michigan, Horshoe Hammond and Vegas during the WSOP were all softer on average. I may just be biased because I ran extremely good over a short sample in those games, though, and am probably running slightly bad in Florida games. I moved to Florida at about 125 hours and you can see that is where my graph goes wonky.

I hope to do better over the next 1000 hours. My game definitely still has plenty of leaks to fix, and I can work harder at table selection than I do right now. Unfortunately I don't feel 2+2 is doing much to improve my game anymore, so I am probably going to try to devote my study time in other ways.

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Old 04-30-2017, 09:04 PM   #18587
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I do this too for the shortest of downswings. I really need to play more hours so I get through them faster and they shouldn't be stressful, or just work on my mental game.

I just passed 1000 hours of live 2|5



Profits: $41,426
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My opinion of Florida games is that they are soft, but reports are exaggerated. The games I played in Michigan, Horshoe Hammond and Vegas during the WSOP were all softer on average. I may just be biased because I ran extremely good over a short sample in those games, though, and am probably running slightly bad in Florida games. I moved to Florida at about 125 hours and you can see that is where my graph goes wonky.

I hope to do better over the next 1000 hours. My game definitely still has plenty of leaks to fix, and I can work harder at table selection than I do right now. Unfortunately I don't feel 2+2 is doing much to improve my game anymore, so I am probably going to try to devote my study time in other ways.
Good job man. You crushed it - and still had ~450hr breakeven stretch. Kinda gross
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:21 PM   #18588
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Just trying to keep myself honest at the end of April...95% at $2/$5, rest at $1/$2. Except I took my first shot at $5/$10 one day last week and got crushed.

Jan 2017 110.5 $4,022.00 $36.40
Feb 2017 112.5 $4,561.00 $40.54
Mar 2017 162.4 $3,163.00 $19.47
Apr 2017 103.8 $4,938.00 $47.56

2017 Total 489.3 $16,684.00 $34.10
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:23 PM   #18589
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Yah nice stats browni. Never hurts to shot take >20 BB's/hour to cushion you for the inevitable downswing.

I'm looking forward to rejoining the land of the living soon (final interview results pending).
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:21 AM   #18590
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Good job man. You crushed it - and still had ~450hr breakeven stretch. Kinda gross
+1, nice job brownie.

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Old 05-01-2017, 12:38 PM   #18591
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Well, it's the first day of May, so my April results are locked up:

A pathetic 36.8 hours for a meaningless sample size, -$135.
Dropped a BI playing PLO when I knew I was too tired to play well in a game I don't have a lot of experience in. Oh well.

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Old 05-01-2017, 12:58 PM   #18592
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Brag: Winning in 2017.

Beat: Up $655 in 196 hours at 1/3 NL. (enquire within regarding my coaching rates, ldo)

Variance: Up more than double what I was up in May of 2012 which ended up being a banner year where I booked my second biggest yearly results at 1/3 NL. Funny feeling that ain't gonna happen this year.

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Old 05-01-2017, 01:43 PM   #18593
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Brag: Winning in 2017.

Beat: Up $655 in 196 hours at 1/3 NL. (enquire within regarding my coaching rates, ldo)

Variance: Up more than double what I was up in May of 2012 which ended up being a banner year where I booked my second biggest yearly results at 1/3 NL. Funny feeling that ain't gonna happen this year.

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I actually lost 55% of my sessions in April...i think I lost every big pot I was in except for 1...
Variance can suck it...
A crappy $35/hr with 172 worth of them.

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Old 05-01-2017, 02:24 PM   #18594
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I actually lost 55% of my sessions in April...i think I lost every big pot I was in except for 1...
Variance can suck it...
A crappy $35/hr with 172 worth of them.

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Old 05-01-2017, 03:15 PM   #18595
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I just hit 2000 hours. My win rate in my 2nd 1000 hours was 2% higher than my 1st 1000 hours. Obviously not enough to mean anything other than maybe I'm not just a fish on a heater.

My StnDev was 10% higher in my 2nd 1000 hours but still very low at only $276/hr (55BB/hr). I did really open up my preflop game which probably resulted in the slightly higher variance. I think my game has gotten better in most regards except for tilt control. I made more dumb moves in my 2nd 1000 hours after getting frustrated from running cold for hours and that stopped my win rate from increasing as much as I feel like it should've.

My 2 priorities going forward are controlling "entitlement tilt" and playing more in deep games. I just REALLY hate the Hard Rock and that's where the deep games are. Blah.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:57 PM   #18596
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Congrats to everyone so far on their 1st 1/3 of the year results.
Seems like most people are winning this year. Good to hear.

I started the year off with a bang, and I'm down $170 in cash over the measly sample of 74.8 hours for a whopping -$2.27 an hour.

I'd be slightly sad about it but:
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Keep up the hard work everyone and wrap up the first half of the year in strong fashion.

And don't forget to make your tables a fun place to play while you're winning all the money.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:58 PM   #18597
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@ Mike

My 1000-2000hr segment was 96% of my 0-1000hr segment.

My 1,362 hours since have been at 44% of the rate I was sitting on at 2000hrs.



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Old 05-01-2017, 04:06 PM   #18598
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I don't put in nearly the hours most of you guys do given the fact that I have a job. But anyway:

In 2017, I'm up $7200 over 203 hours for about $35/hour. Mix of 1/2 and 1/3 deepstack and normal 2/5. Ran very good while playing 2/5 which is helpful. In fact, in 3 of my 2/5 sessions I'm up a total of $9300, so actually down over all other sessions.

Over my full sample since last year (when I got a new phone) I'm up $21k over 500 hours for a $42/hour win rate.

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Old 05-01-2017, 04:48 PM   #18599
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I don't have my stats in front of me but I can say that I'm at a new bankroll high at 23+ BI. Woot.
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