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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

02-28-2017 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BigSlick777
I had several W2G's in the last couple years from slots. This year was my best year with 6 wins totaling 25k. I would never report poker wins or other casino games, but if you hit jackpot wins where they require paperwork, you must report it. I even out my big wins in past year for $25,000 with withdrawal receipts and reported all these casinos losses and end up not owing taxes on it. For poker, I just don't think I would bother unless you are really earning a living at it, not for anything under 40-50k a year. Its not really traceable especially if you have other income to compliment it. Save that cash, buy a rolex, laptop, cool toys and stuff with it.
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Originally Posted by 11t
Electronic logs are fine, letter of the law wants paper/pen but courts aren't stupid. Thank god for activist judges using their brains.
Which law specifies that you have to use a pen?

As I understand it the law says to keep records of all of your income and expenses and that includes poker. For gambling they want a record for each session. The IRS seldom enforces it on the average gamble because they aren't making a profit. The most common scenario is you have a lot of wins or one big jackpot, and want to offset them with your losses. In that case you will want to have records.
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02-28-2017 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Which law specifies that you have to use a pen?



As I understand it the law says to keep records of all of your income and expenses and that includes poker. For gambling they want a record for each session. The IRS seldom enforces it on the average gamble because they aren't making a profit. The most common scenario is you have a lot of wins or one big jackpot, and want to offset them with your losses. In that case you will want to have records.


I was told hand written records by a CPA like 5-7 years ago. Laws could have changed. He could just have a different interpretation than you. Regardless, I would check with a tax profession if I was in that situation
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02-28-2017 , 09:24 AM
I would ask Slim.

I have never been audited but I know you have to itemize your losing sessions so you must have those records by session to even file correctly.
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02-28-2017 , 10:40 AM
Record in February = 16 wins, no losses. 67hrs @ $67/hr for +$4500 all at 1/2. Im obv running great but my room introduced some new rules, including straddles of up to $10 utg, which the occasional player does every round. Utg+1 can double straddle to 20, etc but thats pretty rare. 10% rake up to $5. $400 max buy in. Could this game potentially be as profitable as some 2/5 games?
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02-28-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Record in February = 16 wins, no losses. 67hrs @ $67/hr for +$4500 all at 1/2. Im obv running great but my room introduced some new rules, including straddles of up to $10 utg, which the occasional player does every round. Utg+1 can double straddle to 20, etc but thats pretty rare. 10% rake up to $5. $400 max buy in. Could this game potentially be as profitable as some 2/5 games?


Probably more so if 2/5 is the top game in your room. Once some of the smarter 2/5 players realize how much of a printing press this will be, it might get harder
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02-28-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Probably more so if 2/5 is the top game in your room. Once some of the smarter 2/5 players realize how much of a printing press this will be, it might get harder
I wouldn't count on this happening. Players are pretty dumb when it comes to choosing between stakes. Enjoy your gold mine.
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02-28-2017 , 11:21 AM
Yeah, I don't see at all how this is a "gold mine." The player pool is the most important factor, IMO. I've played in games with similar structures which weren't very good.
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02-28-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Record in February = 16 wins, no losses. 67hrs @ $67/hr for +$4500 all at 1/2. Im obv running great but my room introduced some new rules, including straddles of up to $10 utg, which the occasional player does every round. Utg+1 can double straddle to 20, etc but thats pretty rare. 10% rake up to $5. $400 max buy in. Could this game potentially be as profitable as some 2/5 games?
I would say even more so. You're basically playing 2/5 but with bad 1/2 players. It doesn't get any better than that.

If a really good 2/5 payer sat with a whole table of 1/2 players and they raised the stakes to 2/5, the really good player could sustain $60+/hr. Of course, if the 2/5 players figure out whats going on, some of them will surely get into the game and then everything changes. In my room we play with a 100BB max buy in. Every now and then there is an interest list for a "deep" 2/5 game with 200BB max buy in, but the list always includes several good 5/10 players.
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02-28-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Record in February = 16 wins, no losses. 67hrs @ $67/hr for +$4500 all at 1/2. Im obv running great but my room introduced some new rules, including straddles of up to $10 utg, which the occasional player does every round. Utg+1 can double straddle to 20, etc but thats pretty rare. 10% rake up to $5. $400 max buy in. Could this game potentially be as profitable as some 2/5 games?
I'm a big believer that game profitability depends on player quality, stack size, open raise sizing and then stakes, in that order. If you're playing with bad 1/2 players in a situation where people often get in for $400 and there are a lot of straddles, that sounds better than a lot of 2/5 games.

My main game is 1/2, but uncapped and people usually buy in for $300 or rebuy for a lot more. Usually 2 or 3 straddles per round. My rake is much, much worse than yours (10% capped at $13) and I tip too much because there are only a couple of dealers and I'm friendly with them. It's an underground room, so you get a wide assortment of players, from those who play 2/5 or 5/10 at a casino to complete newbs to total maniacs. Almost everyone has money though. Over the past year (which is as far back as my records go) I'm winning $46/hour over a 276.5 hour sample. I've had significant run good here, but I think $30/hour is sustainable in this game and you probably save at least $10/hour on rake and tips compared to me plus you have a bigger game for better players to go to, which I don't.
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02-28-2017 , 12:54 PM
Average stack depth is probably the most important factor aside from skill level of the game. I'll play dee 1/2 all day as opposed to standard 2/5. You can't win chips that aren't on the table.
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02-28-2017 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Average stack depth is probably the most important factor aside from skill level of the game. I'll play dee 1/2 all day as opposed to standard 2/5. You can't win chips that aren't on the table.
This has been my biggest struggle at 1/2nl. A lot of the tables are so shallow that when I buy in for 150bb I have the table covered. I probably need to be requesting table changes more aggressively fwiw.
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02-28-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
I'm a big believer that game profitability depends on player quality, stack size, open raise sizing and then stakes, in that order. If you're playing with bad 1/2 players in a situation where people often get in for $400 and there are a lot of straddles, that sounds better than a lot of 2/5 games.
+1
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02-28-2017 , 02:14 PM
Sounds like you are simply experiencing variance playing in a game that plays bigger than you are used to or even likely rolled for. I find it interesting that people say they would rather play in a deep game, and yet then get all giddy when players straddle huge, which effectively makes starting stacks very shallow. If you were to buy-in to a game where someone straddles to $20 in a 1/2 game with a $400 (200bb) max then you would essentially start out at 20bbs effective.

BTW, having 16 wins in a row is not a gold mine. It's called running well above expectations. It happens.
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02-28-2017 , 02:19 PM
I heard from many of people buying in short for building a bankroll is OK. It just sucks because u have to be patient


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02-28-2017 , 02:25 PM
If you are playing on a short roll then you have to play patiently anyways. In general, the more patiently you play the more important it is to buy-in deep because you need to get paid when you make hands and will not often win with air.
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02-28-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Sounds like you are simply experiencing variance playing in a game that plays bigger than you are used to or even likely rolled for. I find it interesting that people say they would rather play in a deep game, and yet then get all giddy when players straddle huge, which effectively makes starting stacks very shallow. If you were to buy-in to a game where someone straddles to $20 in a 1/2 game with a $400 (200bb) max then you would essentially start out at 20bbs effective.

BTW, having 16 wins in a row is not a gold mine. It's called running well above expectations. It happens.
People round here have started calling me gamelord. And who am I to stop them?
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02-28-2017 , 03:04 PM
In all seriousness I know Im running super good. Even my winrate from my last 400 hrs I probably wont keep up, but its pretty cool while it lasts
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02-28-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I would say even more so. You're basically playing 2/5 but with bad 1/2 players. It doesn't get any better than that.

If a really good 2/5 payer sat with a whole table of 1/2 players and they raised the stakes to 2/5, the really good player could sustain $60+/hr. Of course, if the 2/5 players figure out whats going on, some of them will surely get into the game and then everything changes. In my room we play with a 100BB max buy in. Every now and then there is an interest list for a "deep" 2/5 game with 200BB max buy in, but the list always includes several good 5/10 players.
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Sounds like you are simply experiencing variance playing in a game that plays bigger than you are used to or even likely rolled for. I find it interesting that people say they would rather play in a deep game, and yet then get all giddy when players straddle huge, which effectively makes starting stacks very shallow. If you were to buy-in to a game where someone straddles to $20 in a 1/2 game with a $400 (200bb) max then you would essentially start out at 20bbs effective.

BTW, having 16 wins in a row is not a gold mine. It's called running well above expectations. It happens.
If you are playing in a deep stacked 1/2 game with large raises you may theoretically be playing 2/5 with reduced ante. Straddles merely restore normal blind levels, but it won't play normally because most of the table is completely unaware of this.
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03-02-2017 , 10:43 PM
2017 results through 3/2/17:

Total hours = 242.5 (96% at $2/$5, 4% at $1/$2)
Profit = $9863
Hourly = $40.67
Total Sessions = 36 (22W, 14L)
Biggest win = $3105
Biggest loss = $3000 (worst session ever)

This is mostly at 200-500 $2/$5 NL with some smaller hours mixed in. I play extreme tag preflop but I am pretty sticky post flop. I'll mix in some situational lag, especially at passive tables. Short sample size and mostly unsustainable, but still a solid start to 2017.
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03-02-2017 , 11:30 PM
Why do you say that is mostly unsustainable? Did you feel you ran above expectations?
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03-03-2017 , 07:45 AM
so I am on the worst run of my poker life online...im down $$$$ my last 7-8 months of playing, whereas my worst run b4 was a 3 month breakeven stretch.

So my question is my last 150k hands I am running 2.75bb/100 below EV......could one of you statisticians out there put this in perspective for me?? whats the % i can run this bad over this sample?? can it get much worse than this lol?
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03-03-2017 , 08:06 AM
Like dream crusher said -- why is it you think you're just "running hot"? Those WR's are def sustainable if you're a top player in your pool.

That being said, it's more likely you are running hot, especially if you know you are certainly not the top % of your pool.
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03-03-2017 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Why do you say that is mostly unsustainable? Did you feel you ran above expectations?
The truth is that I'm not sure what is sustainable at this point. I guess I expected to take my lumps when moving up to $2/$5, not win at a higher rate than $1/$2 almost immediately. I'll be sure to update after a few more months!
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03-03-2017 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by YGOchamp
Like dream crusher said -- why is it you think you're just "running hot"? Those WR's are def sustainable if you're a top player in your pool.

That being said, it's more likely you are running hot, especially if you know you are certainly not the top % of your pool.
I'd like to think I'm in the top % of my pool, but I'm not sure that's true. I think a lot about table & seat selection, so as long as as there are a few non-top players at the table, that's all I need. I think saying that you are "running hot" is a way to prep yourself mentally for losses that are inevitable. Just part of setting realistic expectations.
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03-03-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by browerkid
so I am on the worst run of my poker life online...im down $$$$ my last 7-8 months of playing, whereas my worst run b4 was a 3 month breakeven stretch.

So my question is my last 150k hands I am running 2.75bb/100 below EV......could one of you statisticians out there put this in perspective for me?? whats the % i can run this bad over this sample?? can it get much worse than this lol?
How did you get that #? You are playing live casino poker for this?
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