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realistically you are not even sufficiently rolled for 1/2

The BI numbers are $, not BB, so the most I can BI at 1/3 is 200, or 67BB.

True, not rolled but gonna play anyway. So what should I play? There is no 1/2. So I guess your answer would be 1/3. Next, should I SS or Fullstack?

If you are looking for lowest RoR, then I guess short stacking 1/3. But RoR should be pretty low in a 200 max 1/3 game with 15 buy-ins if you are a solid winner in the game. People are going to tell you that a 15 buy-in downswing will happen at some point, even if you are a crusher, and they may be right, but the chances that it happens to you at the very start are pretty low.

I would take option 2. Gives you the best opportunity to build your bankroll while offering low Risk of Ruin.

i'm not a fan of short stacking. if 1/3 is the lowest game i would tighten up your game and play 100 BB's. try to book a couple wins playing a value oriented ABC game to give your roll a cushion

Wtf do you expect to accomplish with $60 at a 1/3 game?

If you have a far amount of experience playing higher limits, you should know if you can beat the game. If you can beat the game buy in full to 1/3 or 3/5 (tho 67bb max bi @ 1/3 is turrrible). You're gonna have to nit it up regardless of what you do, might as well get max value

Grunch. Just play the 1/3 until you get to 5k, move back down if BR drops below 4k.

Sure, being forced to buy-in shallow sucks, but it actually gives you some more cushion. Plus, As long as you can table-select you'll be able to select deeper stacked 1/3 games.

And stay away from the PLO unless you want to go busto. Don't care if you're a monster. That's simply not enough wiggle room imo.

A good short-stack strategy is 1) very boring and 2) pretty high variance. Play 1/3 and buy in full.

max for dude's 1/3 game is 200.

Correct short stack strat is actually pretty high variance as it has you shoving like ATs or mid pairs in a ton of spots.

If you want to short stack and play tight people will always pay you off -- but if you're ganna play tight you're better off buying in full tho. That being said, if you have a massive RoR then maybe shortstack/tight isnt the worst option, it's actually how I built my roll the first few months.

I'm cool with $200. You should be able to avoid the swings unless you get unlucky.

Play 1/3,

With $200 cap. Strat is fairly straight forward until you get deep with someone.

Raise your premium hands, likely going 4-5 ways into bloated pots. Check/fold when you miss. Value bet and stack off when you hit top pair.

AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, are printing money in that structure.

Set mining 22-66 is losing money. So keep your range Ace heavey and mid pocket pairs. And should be no problem to quickly move up.

Suited connectors are useless so shallow, but everyone is awsome so they will still play them. If you don't. Then there is your built in edge.

F w.i.w

It is boring poker!!!!!

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This resonates with everyone! I feel like my first mistake in a hand often leads to justification for the second and third mistakes.

Yes, "full" is a bit short, but you can play a pretty standard strategy with 66.67BBs effective.

I want to bring up the idea of shot taking. I've had a solid month of January, my first month with a win rate north of 10 big blinds/hour at $2/$5 over 150 hours. My winrate typically hovers in the 5-7 bb/hour range, so maybe I'm running good or maybe I'm playing better or maybe some of both. I've considered sitting in the $5/$10 game a few times when I've run up a stack to the 500-600 bb range at 2/5. Specifically there are a few players worth targeting in the $5/$10 game based on how they've played in the 2/5 game. I wouldn't be rolled adequately but it would seem like taking an occasional shot could be a good thing. Anyone think this way or have any experience (good or bad) with taking a shot at a bigger game?

What's your BR? How will you respond emotionally if you lose a couple grand in one hand? Nothing wrong with shot taking if you can handle the shot failing.

Great questions! I'm a professional in something other than poker, so there's always money beyond my designated bankroll. You could say that I am a serious rec player with more experience than most recent players. That said, I currently have about $12k in my poker-dedicated BR. I'm basically dead from an emotional perspective, so I don't think I'd play bad if I got stuck haha. I would just go back to my normal game. There is also something that feels different about taking pure winnings from a day to play a higher game. I know it is the exact same thing, but ending up back where I started the day doesn't seem as bad as starting the day in the higher game and getting stuck. Both times I've put my name on the list the game didn't run or a seat didn't open up.

The same day thing is only true if you have 0 tilt which is basically no one. I think it's a smart way to proactively prevent tilt.

This is what I did in January. It was pretty boring, but low stress, easier decisions, and has worked out. I feel like I have some breathing room now

that's why $60 is to low and $200 is too much. I'd probably buy in for just over $100, depending on the avg size of the pfr and # of cold callers. You want to be able to cbet without committing yourself to showing down Ace high, but you want them to feel committed with any weird draw they have.

$200 at 3/5 won't have that problem too much but I would wait until your roll is morel like $4500.

Actually, the whole concept of viewing the money you won today as different is a form of "tilt", where you might play in a game thats too big for you because the money doesn't feel like its "yours yet", while you wouldn't play in that exact same game if you racked up, left, and came back a week later with the same net worth (because you've had time to accept that this "new money" is part of your net worth).

That being said, it's obviously very valuable to be able to play as if you don't care about the money, but if you /should/ care about the money because you have a reasonable RoR, then you're best off just not sitting in the game to begin with -- sitting with 2.5k in a 5/10 game with a roll of 12k is a sure way to go broke quickly. If you're able to replenish your poker BR with your other job thats another story

I'm definitely able to replenish so maybe that's where I'm coming from. And yeah, probably right that it's a form of tilt. But it's not the sort that will cause me to **** up, you know?

That's a great way to think about it. It should be the exact same but there's something about the confidence of playing after crushing for a session that makes the shot more appealing to take. The max buy in is $2k in the 5/10 game so I might give myself two $1k buy ins. Hopefully I get to the point where I think about it again soon! At least that means I'm winning.

If you do try it, give us an update and post some HH.


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I definitely will and I definitely will!