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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

08-10-2016 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bip!
Exactly - deep doesn't matter in raise pre-bet-bet-bet pots... deep matters in raise-3bet-4way call pots.
I said that in one of my posts (I also added that it would matter if you had multiple raises on a street or two, or the standard preflop raise size increased). But, that's why I don't think deep stack matters much at LLSNL. How many pots at any stack depth where there is a raise, 3bet, 4bet and a call?
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08-10-2016 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
My variance is very very low which is another reason I have such confidence in my results. My StnDev is only 5.5 times my win rate. I havent found a single person yet that has a lower ratio. Most good players ratios are double to triple that. People here told me I was on a heater at 200 hours. They said it again at 500 hours. Now I'm at 900+ and my win rate has been consistent and almost exactly the same since this whole time. Hardly anyone else here will even give out their numbers....but they sure dont mind giving out their HH advice like its the gospel.

It would be very interesting if there was a way to have every posters verified win rate by listed with their screen name.
plenty of people "give out their numbers". I have good news for you though. You are playing in the absolute best games in the country...so even with some of your more questionable lines I actually believe your w/r.
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08-10-2016 , 01:36 PM
Again please point it out? You two are essentially putting words in my mouth over and over and then get all pouty / bitter when I call you out on it, resorting to calling me names like little school boys.

I've tried multiple times to explain these really basic concepts and advice but it's not sinking in. I guess I should stop.

Bw- it's a really simple concept. You build a solid base / good life and then do luxury things. Not the other way around.

Gambling is a freaking luxury. It's supposed to be done with disposable income. Not mortgage, food, retirement money.

It's also not supposed to put stress and conflict on your relationship. FFS it's supposed to be fun and relaxing! The fact that some posters have to have a sit down / pow wow with their other half about their expensive hobby is a huge red flag that they don't have enough disposable income for gambling.

Don't have enough disposable income to gamble but you don't want to give it up? Obvious solution: lifestyle change and or finding a better job.

Kinda surprised any of you are actually long term winners at poker considering how poor your logic / problem solving skills are

Tldr; TIL 2p2 delusional degens get upset when they are told their priorities aren't set right / have no clue why there's a problem.
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08-10-2016 , 01:41 PM
lol, this is the last post I make on the subject.

What happened is, completely unprovoked, you went on a rant and basically disparaged anyone who has shared finances and a joint bank account, ranted about lack of trust, baby sitting, watch dog etc.. showing a complete lack of awareness, not to mention tact.

people responded to that rant in a negative fashion, now you are doing whatever it is you are doing or talking about now (It's not entirely clear), but I see a few straw men that are being mercilessly pounded into the ground.
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08-10-2016 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Country club memberships and Rolls Royces though
I guess you could budget for that too tho

Seems a tenuous relationship between Winrates, bankrolls and whether you have joint finances but who am I to interrupt a good poo flinging session
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08-10-2016 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente



Gambling is a freaking luxury. It's supposed to be done with disposable income. Not mortgage, food, retirement money.

It's also not to put stress and conflict on your relationship. The fact that some posters have to have a sit down / pow wow with their other half about their expensive hobby is a huge red flag that they don't have enough disposable income for gambling.

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I'd say this a true statement only for those that are overall losers in the game.

Successfully playing for profit isn't an expensive hobby.

I have a full time career that pays well, affords us to live a very comfortable lifestyle with my wife having zero income.

Poker for me is a serious hobby, but overall I do play for profit. It isn't an expense for me, it is another revenue stream that provides us fun money.

Challenges with spouse are:
1) have her buy into it being a skill game. Took a lot of hours, but eventually she couldn't argue with the cash coming in.
2) time I spend at the casino. For me, this is still the biggest challenge.




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08-10-2016 , 01:55 PM
I see dubey. You got upset because i basically said some harsh truths that hit too close to home and resorted to calling me lol names because I lack tact on an forum where I have zero interest in making friends with delusional degens. I see.

Zip- I'd argue hobbyists should think of it as luxury / fun considering they aren't even close to averaging 10bb/hr variance free money like they think they are.
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08-10-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
I'd say this a true statement only for those that are overall losers in the game.

Successfully playing for profit isn't an expensive hobby.

I have a full time career that pays well, affords us to live a very comfortable lifestyle with my wife having zero income.

Poker for me is a serious hobby, but overall I do play for profit. It isn't an expense for me, it is another revenue stream that provides us fun money.

Challenges with spouse are:
1) have her buy into it being a skill game. Took a lot of hours, but eventually she couldn't argue with the cash coming in.
2) time I spend at the casino. For me, this is still the biggest challenge.




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this is me exactly, except #1 isn't a challenge since poker has been a part of my life since the very beginning of our relationship(10+ years), and I have been a consistent winner, plus I never gamble with our shared money, so she feels zero loss when I lose. #2 is a big one, especially with a young child at home now.
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08-10-2016 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
I see dubey. You got upset because i basically said some harsh truths that hit too close to home and resorted to calling me lol names because I lack tact on an forum where I have zero interest in making friends with delusional degens. I see.
I guess I lied about that being my last post.

lol at this post. nothing you said hit anywhere close to home for me. And I didn't call you names, I said you were coming across like an A-hole and condescending. Both of those are demonstrably true. If they hit too close to home or made you feel uncomfortable, that's on you.
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08-10-2016 , 01:59 PM
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08-10-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
I guess I lied about that being my last post.

lol at this post. nothing you said hit anywhere close to home for me. And I didn't call you names, I said you were coming across like an A-hole and condescending. Both of those are demonstrably true. If they hit too close to home or made you feel uncomfortable, that's on you.
Lol ******* is not name calling? Loooool that logic / thought process of yours.
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08-10-2016 , 02:16 PM
lock it up.
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08-10-2016 , 02:23 PM
I think a single ban should suffice.
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08-10-2016 , 02:27 PM
This thread is giving me cancer.

How many bb/hr -EV should I expect that to be?
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08-10-2016 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
This thread is giving me cancer.

How many bb/hr -EV should I expect that to be?
Depends on how games are in heaven or hell. Hell definitely more EV+.
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08-10-2016 , 02:29 PM
Although one should expect tremendously tight passive novice players in heaven.
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08-10-2016 , 02:46 PM
I predict multiple flying medieval headkicks when G gets back.

Gyouguysgonnabeinsomuchtrouble!G
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08-10-2016 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
plenty of people "give out their numbers". I have good news for you though. You are playing in the absolute best games in the country...so even with some of your more questionable lines I actually believe your w/r.
Im not going to argue that because I havent played enough in other places to know for sure, but I did play about 40-50 hrs in Vegas, SF and Seattle 2 weeks ago and didnt notice ans serious skill differences between there and S. Florida.

Seattle definitely seemed softer though.
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08-10-2016 , 03:59 PM
Okay then moving on ...

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08-10-2016 , 04:04 PM
FWIW, in spite of the recent BS, I think it would be a shame to lock up this thread long term. It's the only place where people can post their winrates / hours so that we can see what is possible / probable / get an idea of what the long term is / etc.

Gwinratesthread4lifeG
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08-10-2016 , 04:17 PM


sent from my <insert clever thing here>
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08-10-2016 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
FWIW, in spite of the recent BS, I think it would be a shame to lock up this thread long term. It's the only place where people can post their winrates / hours so that we can see what is possible / probable / get an idea of what the long term is / etc.

Gwinratesthread4lifeG
That's why I'm for selective bans. The thread does serve as a legitimate containment thread for WR/BR questions. The spousal topic was in the fringes but I think relevant to begin with.
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08-10-2016 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Im not going to argue that because I havent played enough in other places to know for sure, but I did play about 40-50 hrs in Vegas, SF and Seattle 2 weeks ago and didnt notice ans serious skill differences between there and S. Florida.



Seattle definitely seemed softer though.


LOL, I love it when people say Seattle is soft and yet you can't spot more than a handful of regs that can beat the game.

Yes, we pay off some random nut peddlers we never seen before, because no one can just nut peddle and survive in these games.
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08-10-2016 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
and yet you can't spot more than a handful of regs that can beat the game.
Isn't this true of most non-crazy big markets?

Having said that, I have no opinion on what market is better than others. Seems to me you'd have to put in a lot of hours in a lot of different markets to have a valid opinion.

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08-10-2016 , 06:00 PM
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My variance is very very low which is another reason I have such confidence in my results. My StnDev is only 5.5 times my win rate. I havent found a single person yet that has a lower ratio.
How important is that ratio and what does it mean? FWIW, mine is lower than 5.5.
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