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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

6 6.32%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

7 7.37%

5-7.5

8 8.42%

7.5-10

16 16.84%

10+

35 36.84%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

23 24.21%

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02-24-2016 , 10:22 PM

#13601

Snowball2

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 8,640

Should revisit that statement at the end of this year

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02-24-2016 , 10:28 PM

#13602

Randal_Graves

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10,183

Revisit it after the (I'm guessing) 800 hour heater he's on.

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02-24-2016 , 10:34 PM

#13603

bwslim69

I'm a Diva, Bruh

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 24,960

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Originally Posted by Snowball2

Should revisit that statement at the end of this year

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

Revisit it after the (I'm guessing) 800 hour heater he's on.

Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate says the GOAT

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02-24-2016 , 11:09 PM

#13604

t_roy

veteran

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,123

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

Revisit it after the (I'm guessing) 800 hour heater he's on.

I seem to remember Chad saying 100/hour at 2/5 was doable.

I've definitely been in 100/hour games, but no way you're gonna find even 20 hours a week of that type of game.

Johnny, your rooms are 200bbs caps right? I mean if the game is always deep and is straddled fairly regularly, it may be possible. At MDL there is just no way. There isn't enough money on the table to sustain that high of a winrate. And that's with 10+ tables to choose from.

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02-24-2016 , 11:20 PM

#13605

Randal_Graves

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100/hour is POSSIBLE for Chad. Chad is a world class cash game player with thousands of hours of experience playing against probably every different player style out there.

60/hour at 1/2 is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. It's something that would only be said by a super inexperienced player.

There is no teacher better than experience. I wish JB well but I'm guessing his tune will change quite a bit after 3000 hours of live cash games.

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02-24-2016 , 11:20 PM

#13606

E Mo

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 336

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah

I have to say, wrt poker dying, there's at least one more poker boom coming. It's going to be bigger than the Moneymaker boom. Whenever online poker is finally completely legalized in the US (imo <10 years), we're going to see a boom the likes of which we haven't seen before. Think about it. All these legal websites now advertising poker during the college football game, then they want to try online, then live as well. Just look at what happened with DFS and how that exploded.

How do you think online poker will become legal again? Also what kind of win rate do you think will be attainable if and when it does online or off. What was it like in 2004?

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02-24-2016 , 11:23 PM

#13607

Randal_Graves

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10,183

IIRC, JB was the one complaining about 120(!!!) break even hours and how it was his longest BE stretch of 2015.

Buckle up bud.

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02-24-2016 , 11:23 PM

#13608

johnnyBuz

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,617

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

Pretty sure wj94 is beating 1/2 for $50-60/hour.

I also said "my goal," not "my goal which entails 2000 hours per year."

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02-24-2016 , 11:37 PM

#13609

Randal_Graves

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10,183

JB,

How many hours of live poker have you played?

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02-24-2016 , 11:54 PM

#13610

imdrax

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 462

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Pretty sure wj94 is beating 1/2 for $50-60/hour.

I also said "my goal," not "my goal which entails 2000 hours per year."

Lolololololol @ 60/hr at 1/2. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who makes this claim is lying or delusional or both. Think about it, if you NEVER had a losing session and played 5hrs/session you would leave +300 a day. That's ludicrous. I would bet that not a single 1/2 grinder here could snapshot their BR tracker and show an avg winning session amount that is >$300 and that's probably with avg session length >5hrs and not including avg losing session.

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02-24-2016 , 11:55 PM

#13611

feel wrath

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 31,013

just wasted 10 mins going through poker dominator to do some silly epeening

I made 106.23 an hour at 2/4 last year over 52 hours.

also 75.73 an hour at 2/3 over 13 hours. that looks high, but I actually think I ran badly

And I'm not a crusher by any means. I play TAG and some LAG and a bit of sLAG. I can make moves but I rarely get out of line and everybody respects my game man. So I think 100 an hour at 2/3 and 150 an hour at 2/4 seem like sustainable goals for a good player and anybody making less than that has major leaks and should give up poker

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02-25-2016 , 12:05 AM

#13612

t_roy

veteran

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,123

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Sad part about this thread is that if I didn't look at your SN, I'd think you were totally serious.

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02-25-2016 , 12:10 AM

#13613

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by homerdash

Actually yeah, I don't know much about DFS but I'm pretty sure each pro submits like 100 lineups per thing they enter

Submitting 100 lineups is not quite the same as multi tabling poker.

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02-25-2016 , 12:12 AM

#13614

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

What is so hard to figure out? I think the upper limit for 1/2 at my room is $60/hour. I think the upper limit for 2/5 is $100-120/hour. Since 2/5 is more profitable I've only played two 1/2 sessions this year.

I personally don't participate in "maximum WR" discussions because I think they are all flawed. The theoretical "max WR" that could be achieved would be the amount you could win if you could see your opponents hole cards. Just pulling a number out of my ass, that could be $500+ at 2/5.

Therefore, the better hand reader you become and the better you are at bet sizing to manipulate your villains, you should be able to keep increasing your WR. Most people likely move up in limits rather than maxing out a WR at a lower stake, but I am of the belief that 10 BB's/hour is nowhere near the attainable limit for low-to-mid stakes NL.

LOL, really?

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02-25-2016 , 12:17 AM

#13615

feel wrath

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 31,013

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Originally Posted by t_roy

Sad part about this thread is that if I didn't look at your SN, I'd think you were totally serious.

what....so I'm just a joke to you? Is that it?

hurts

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02-25-2016 , 12:56 AM

#13616

D0UGHBOY

Self Rising

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,633

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Submitting 100 lineups is not quite the same as multi tabling poker.

It's even worse than multitabling poker. When you multitable poker you have to make independent decisions on each table. In dfs the decisions are already made you just need to submit the lineups. In poker if you play 1/2 you load up tables of 1/2 you don't load up lower stakes tables because it's not worth it dollar wise. In dfs you just need to click a few buttons and print money.

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02-25-2016 , 01:01 AM

#13617

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

JB,

How many hours of live poker have you played?

I am over 7000 hours...not sure if it's a brag.

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02-25-2016 , 01:02 AM

#13618

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY

I honestly have no idea how DFS works, but I have tough time believing that poker boom could return.

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02-25-2016 , 01:08 AM

#13619

Randal_Graves

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

I am over 7000 hours...not sure if it's a brag.

I just wanna know how out of depth JB is with some of the stuff he posts in here. Nobody who's played >2k hours of live poker would say some of this stuff.

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02-25-2016 , 01:14 AM

#13620

D0UGHBOY

Self Rising

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,633

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

I honestly have no idea how DFS works, but I have tough time believing that poker boom could return.

Yeah my point was just about how much worse dfs is for the casual player than poker.

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02-25-2016 , 08:56 AM

#13621

cAmmAndo

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,729

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Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY

Yeah my point was just about how much worse dfs is for the casual player than poker.

And the thing with DFS is there is no opportunity cost to throw the same 100 lineups in a small buy in contest. Whereas a top poker player limited physically to x number of tables would typically not waste a table on a lowstakes game.

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02-25-2016 , 09:11 AM

#13622

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

$60/hr over any kind of reasonable sample is ridiculous. Playing near perfectly can get you $30/hr I think. Maybe. I know $25/hr in my games is attainable. But who knows really? In my particular game somewhere between $20-30/hr is max. There is no $1/2 game running anywhere where $60/hr is anywhere close to realistic.

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