Not sure how far we can go with this one, given my lack of detail. OOP guy can be found anywhere. For winning players at lower levels, I'd expect them to fold pre or fold the turn, or check back the river, or b/f smaller on the river. I'd expect a large river bet from a winning 1-3 player to almost always be a huge hand and not some merged voodoo.

That's some pretty sick value betting right there.

2/5 is not some pool of geniuses. I'm sure there was some history there.

Merged voodoo isnt exactly the mark of a good player anyway...

LOL, yeah, I look at that hand and think the T9 guy is likely a wizard.

Was he a small asian kid wearing a suit?

Dedfish does not need to fear 2-5 bc some guy bet 2nd pair for value. Cheamon ppl.

He asked which one had the higher RoR. My argument is the MDL 2-5 game is higher variance and a tougher pool than the Shoe 1-3, thus has a higher RoR for a vulnerable bankroll size. I didn't make any claim regarding WR

If anyone who has played both games disagrees with me, that's cool. While I'm biased by my personal results and my overall preference for passive fishy tables, I'm still pretty confident and comfortable with my answer.

Sorry the partial HH wasn't persuasive.

I would think that it goes without saying that higher stake has tougher pool and higher variance.

If you are a weaker player, lower stake would always be better simply because dollar amount per sigma is lower.

what a good end to the month, up 10 bi in 1 session, it all started with me sucking out KQ vs AK pre too

in b4 someone asks wtf i was doing with KQ pre, i could FEEL IT bro

I think you were lookin' for the "Beats, Brags, and Variance" forum, weren't you?

Im against short stacking because i feel its a indicator you either lack the bankroll to buy in deep or the confidence in your skill to buy in deep, I would suggest dropping to a stake where sitting deep doesnt affect you mentally as much...
You may lose less at short stacking but you win less as well and the short stack strategy is similar to tournament poker you will have to commit your stack in marginal spots where you cant afford to fold.
Rather than short stack i think a stop loss is more idea,and for those that think they have some type of edge short stacking how big could it possibly be, you dont see the best players in the world short stacking for a reason

these are those $40 cap 1/2 rake fest games

this thread is my bbv
i shortstack sometimes when my game is off/the game is bad/i dont really feel like taking decisions & i do that instead of going to roulette or something. usually buy in full after an hour or something, just to get in the game.

usually end up playing 100bbs poker anyway

I dont think its bad necessarily, but it can be counter productive depending on your goal. If you want to maximize your WR and time then of course its bad, if your learning the game or taking a shot at a higher stake than normal than it can curve your losses, but if your regularly short stacking at a stake higher than you usually play I feel it developes bad habits and can impede your success over the long run.For example AK on a 20-50BB stack plays much differently than on a 150BB-500BB stack(same goes for middling and lower pairs), now if your aware of the difference already and know how to react in each situation ignore the example, but if your like how I started believing you play the hand the same way no matter the stack sizes it will be an expensive and demoralizing experience with the occasional winning session.

If your not comfortable enough to buy in for the max there may be something underlying wrong with your game that makes buying in deep uncomfortable.

Now this does not pertain to situations where your with friends, having fun or buying into a softer smaller stake game and looking splash around and have a good time.

But if your looking to play seriously I would always recommend buying in for max where if you find yourself in a situation to get all the money in against multiple opponents you make waitng around all day worth it. Lets say you get it in good vs 3 opponents 50BB deep vs 150BB deep I much rather have the 450BB pot over the 150BB short stacked pot.... One thing that is constant between the stack sizes is the amount of time you have to spend at the tables anyway

Bro if you dont feel like being there that day get yourself a copy of Halo lol

nah i know it's a temporary set back, just need time to get into it
playing D game = 50bbs, when i get up to C-B game, 100bbs

if i played only on A game i would only play 5 hours a week x.x

ALWAYS buying in short is obv bad, everyone will grow to hate you if you do that, not only do you kill the action constantly, but you probably hit and run if your strategy is shortstack only.

Played my first T/T session last night (not really by choice, all the other games had 60+ wait lists) and ran predictably bad at the most inopportune times.

First hour went fine, played tight (really just one hand) and was up about $250 before the wheels fell off.

HH1 (1200 ES): UTG, MP limp, Hero raises AQ to $60 OTB, UTG raises to $160, MP folds, Hero calls. Flop K-4-7 one spade, he checks, I bet $160 he calls, turn 5, ch/ch, river brick he checks I bet $400 he snap calls with KK.

V had 3! like 3 times in the last 15-30 minutes but I still think this was questionable on my part

HH2 (460 ES): MP opens for $40, I call with 77 in HJ, CO calls. Flop 964cc, MP leads $70, I call, BTN folds, turn brick MP checks, I shove for $350, he calls and MHIG

HH3 (960 ES): UTG straddles, one caller, I raise QQ to $100 in CO, BTN makes it $250, I shove for $960, V snap calls with AKo and board runs out 4-9-7-3-A what the eff...

Think stop-and-go may have been better on this one but that could be results oriented. Wasn't expecting to get snapped off by AKo

*Rebuy for $1000*

HH4 (1000 ES): Pick up AA UTG, raise to $40, only BB calls (one of the only hands with only one caller or no 3! preflop ... super!), flop A24r check/check, turn brings flush draw, I bet half pot V folds. Cool.. max value with first set in awhile

HH5 (1100 ES): MP raises to $40, I call with 65, SB 3! to $150 (same V as HH1), MP folds, I call (questionable). Flop K43, V leads for $180, I shove for $950, V snaps with AKo, turn 5, river brick and I go home and get a good night sleep for the first time in a long long time on a Tuesday

The game played pretty much like a 2/5 game with a little more aggression. There was more 3! preflop but also more limping then I expected. It was also surprising to me that NOBODY FOLDS ANYTHING. I thought I had some FE on HH5 as I am playing a set the exact same way but whatever.

Expensive lesson and I don't imagine I will be playing T/T anytime soon until I have a BR that can support bringing 5 bullets as these guys have pockets that don't seem to mind calling anything regardless of what you have or are representing

Lol, and here I am playing in a room that 50% of the time only has a single cash game going.

Gjellyofyourchoices;runbetternexttime!G

HH1 - hate the river bet, what are we repping here?

HH2 - BALLA

HH3 - whatareyagonnado

HH4 - hard to get value H/U with top set on a board like that - how many sd's is v gonna have?

HH5 - fold pre to the 3!, we're not deep enough. AP it's fine but lol expecting a K to fold with an SPR of less than 4.

HH1 - Never betting this flop, V is highly unlikely to fold flop and you can't really bet any turn card since there's a good chance V c/shove AK/KK/AA. Also proof that the UTG limp/raise is still always KK+ even at higher stakes.

HH5 - I don't expect any V's to fold AK with those stack sizes, especially in a 3b pot. You're just hoping V has JJ/QQ and he might even hero call with those since there's a ton of draws in your range after you just overcall twice and you would probably 3b up front or backraise 4b with AK. It's fine to get it in here with OESFD obviously, but don't expect a fold. Raising less than all in would look stronger too.

Pot controlled AK/KQs that is going for value on the river vs. QQ-TT. It was pretty thin and I almost talked myself out of it and just taking the showdown but then I went full-******. Though if he actually has QQ-TT, I'm not sure he's calling so Idk.

Should have stop-and-go check/shoved the flop or shoved turn if he checked back flop.

Yah I know this was just me being frustrated that I waste AA *AND* top set UTG where it's basically impossible to get paid.

Agree fold to 3!. Frustration was setting in -- these hands all happened within like 30 minutes and then this beautiful flop and dude doesn't even flinch. Probably would have called it off even if I flopped the flush which woulda been great.

Yah I kinda thought flop was my only chance to win it then picked up the NFD so just saw a free river and missed. Probably shoulda checked river but the guy played it so passively I thought I could get folds from QQ-TT.

AK vs QQ hand, come on Johnny. You got your money in as a favorite. Check/shoving flop and folding out AK is results-oriented and is a sub-EV line.

I know I know - results oriented, but maybe not the worst idea in the world if he has 16 combos of AK vs. 12 combos of AA-KK and should theoretically fold some of those AK combos to a 5! preflop 100 BB's deep.

Plus I'll outflop him 2/3 of the time and a guy that 4!'s a large 3! over a straddle with AK is most likely firing out on the flop which makes for a great check/raise

The AK vs QQ hand he should never ever ever ever be folding to a 5! 100bbs deep. And especially not theoretically. Not to mention it was a straddled pot...

And yeah don't call 3! with 65ss and then act like you're Repping sets and how can he call me there. The shove is fine but expect to get called a high % of the time there.

QQ is the absolute bottom of my shove range there. How exactly is AKo a standard call in that spot? He was in for $250 and has to call $750 more to win $1310 or 1.75:1 odds on his call vs. a range consisting of 6 combos of QQ, 3 combos of KK, 3 combos of AA and maybe 2 combos of AKs.

And I'm not surprised he called with AK vs. 65s I was just surprised how instantly he called. Overcalling twice I think 66 and 55 make up a good portion of my range for shoving flop (more so than my actual hand since I shouldn't have seen the flop with those cards anyway).

Vs a range of QQ+ and AK he only needs 1.57:1 to call.