Of course it is, Cpt. Obvious.

FWIW, if you're new or haven't figured out how to win, reading most of my posts may be -EV.

They do kill my brain cells so I guess I can agree that is -EV

Part of the issue here is "reg" means different things to different posters.

To me it just means "regular" and can be any caliber of player.

A lot of people seem to take it to mean "good regular" player. Or people just assume a guy who plays 20+ hours a week must be winning... but in truth pros are not typically the hours leaders in a live room.

Home casino had a good game last night with deep stacked 1/2 bad regs. We convinced them to change to 1/2/5 with opt straddle and 2x straddle. Game continued to deepen as regs splashed around.
Drunk whale came in and played every hand, quickly growing his stack to 3k vs the weak regs who adjusted by overplaying all their marginal hands vs him.
Few hours later we get 4handed and whale demands we make it 2/5/T which we all oblige. He 3b shv 150bbs in with JTo on a J653 vs my 66. He reloads and drops another K on the table. We then get 3 handed and other solid reg leaves me headsup with a 1/2 fish who has never played headsup before.
Game breaks 6am and we have our first $4k cash out.

Case in point.

Richard just likes to argue.

This your inflated ego talking Richard. It doesn't really matter if you can exploit the same grindy regs if you can change tables and exploit drooler fish for twice as much.

That's all that should really matter for a pro when playing poker: their bb/hr. Playing super soft fishy unknowns undoubtedly boosts that bottom line.

was thinking the same thing last night, albeit for me, 'reg' implies a level of skill as a poker player

perhaps we need a glossary of terms

Plenty of reg fish in most casinos. Also if you know a mediocre player really well, they can be just as big of a profit source as a bad player that you are playing with for the first time.

What's the most profitable way of exploiting an unknown player?

Compare EV of that vs regs who you beat on regular basis.

But if you are constantly getting beat by regs, then playing unknown player would obviously be better.

I happened across this and figured I'd chime in. I think the biggest thing with your decision is going be your money situation. If you are playing full time it may be far better to just continue paying rent. Purchasing a home is no joke and unexpected expenses can come around at any time. I have the luxury of having a family member in the construction business and it is truly a blessing. The labor alone for home repairs assuming your aren't savvy enough to fix them yourself is outrageous.

I recently purchased a home that was too good of a deal to pass up. The home was in great shape and I was able to purchase it and have equity immediately. However I had to wait a year and a half for a short sale to go through. Basically I would not take this decision lightly and I would do your research. It doesn't hurt to look around and who knows you may come across a great deal. I'd focus on homes that are move in ready and id find a realtor you trust. Best of luck and above all be patient.

+1

Doing it for the money, meh

For quality of life, go for it after research.

i won 940 today at 2/5. this has been a very good last 3 weeks, I'm playing well and often. Gotta just avoid burn out

so far the comeback is $83.64/h over 81 hours.

I know we are all supposed to take this as an article of faith, but I am not completely convinced that this is always true.

I have two observations that make me doubt this:

1. For 4 years now, my most profitable day of the week has never varied. It is Tuesday.

2. Certain bad players, especially really aggro bad players, accidentally do a lot of things better than meh regs. Off the top of my head, two are: betting for thin value and balancing their range. The overwhelming leak meh regs have is simply that they play their hands face up. All you really have to do to play perfectly against them is believe them.

So, I don't know. I think it is possible that there could be reasons other than variance that lead a player to have a higher WR against bad regs than against at least some of the really terrible aggro fish.

I'm not saying one way or the other. My mind is open to being persuaded either way.

I lost $450 playing Hold Em & 1k playing PLO last night.

I do better mid-week as well. Much smaller sample size, however. Bad regs are easier to play... Like mpethy said... its all face up. Many fish are much more confusing, and often lead to greater variance for me.

I think we should all come to an agreement for the definition of "live reg" there seems to be some confusion about what it means exactly.

Live reg could mean a fish that plays everyday to a "pro". Personally, I use the word that best fits the player. If a player is a fish, I'm going to describe him as a fish, not a reg because he plays all the time. Same goes for a pro.

A live regular just means a player has played poker for a long time. They have experience. Over that period they've developed their own play style which is good enough to stack fish. But they still make tons of mistakes and aren't good enough to adjust to better players.

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That's pretty interesting mpethy.

I agree with 'aggro fish' being better than meh regulars in some spots. But in live poker, at least in my player pool Most of them are loose passive.

But that doesn't even matter imo. If someone is really good at poker, then should know how to exploit loose passives, loose aggros, whales, regs, pros etc. whatever labels someone might use.

From an EV standpoint, playing vs a bunch of fish and whales should yield a higher EV for the fact that they make more mistakes, for more money than a reg, if they know how to correctly exploit each category of player.

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I'm guilty of playing in all reg line ups. I think I'm the best player at every single live poker table I sit at. Whatever label they have doesn't matter because i can make money from every single one of them.

But recently I've been asking myself "how can I make the most amount of money, for the least amount of work, for minimum stress?"

And that means table selecting more. Selecting to tables with a higher EV.

At a reg infested table last night plus one easy, obvious ATM . After ATM felted for 2nd time in short order, he said he'd be back. As the 10 minute limit approached, multiple regs start hassling the dealer to open the seat so waiting reg can sit.

Might be a reg definition in there somewhere.

Ok...here is what you said:

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So maybe fish sees other fish as regs?

They are so fixated on their own style that their hands are faced up to someone who's better, and hence it's profitable to play against them, DUCY?

Which is more profitable, someone who's extremely predictable or unknown player who doesn't know much of what's going on?

LOL with your caveat to finish your sentence, and yet you failed to see that you're essentially agreeing to the argument that playing against someone you know is better than someone you don't know.

LOL, reminds me of what venice posted recently in beginner's forums.

Yep, we all want to make more while doing less, but it just doesn't work that way, DUCY?

Some more thoughts on the reg vs. fish (non reg) debate. My hourly is higher on Mon, Wed, and Thursday than it is on Friday and Saturday (on around 2.5k combined hours). I think a lot of this is based on what we see here on 2+2. There are a lot of non-regs that because of a job only head out on the weekend. Because they are not known or you only see them once in a while you may think they are not good when in fact they are crushers. A lot of the people that are there everyday are degenerates. They may not lose everyday, and they may have learned to limit their losses, but they do lose pretty consistently.

My biggest single session wins have been on the Friday's and Saturdays where you run into the whale drinking and throwing a party. Everyone would rather play at that table. It's just that when you see a table of mostly unknowns the table may not be good. When you walk in on a Wednesday night and see 6 players that you know and 5 of them lose and the one winning player peddles the nuts, you are going to have a nice hourly EV in that game.

Richard, buddy, I never said playing vs regs wasn't profitable. I said it was a mistake for a pro if they could switch to a softer table.

If I had to choose between playing against


A. a reg that I have hundreds of hours on, that will still do dumb stuff like incorrectly play trouble hands like and maybe pay off maybe 2 streets max value with for example tpgk

OR

B. Some unknown dude decked out in casino/ poker clothing and accessories, with a girlfriend sitting behind them, that's going to call off lots of money with top pair or second pair, draws, whatever. The kind of dude that will put money in drawing dead.


I'll choose option B every single time. For the simple reason that they make more mistakes for more money than a regular.

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You could just be blinded by variance, or maybe not understand where your money comes from. Or Maybe you're just bad at playing vs fish.

But then again this could just be a definition misunderstanding. ie if you're playing vs guys like option B and you're calling them "regs". They're not regs, they're just fish.


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Live poker is beautiful because you can still play vs guys like option B whereas online those types of guys are like unicorns. You just don't see them.

To pass up an opportunity to play option B players is crazy man.

I have nothing more to say about this.

Buddy, playing fish is hard, bruh!

You gotta have hands and stuffs.

They also don't respect your raises

Lol, yep. That mindset is pretty much the definition of a bad reg.

I notice a lot of full ring no limit players even pros get really uncomfortable with the idea of playing short handed even for a little while even missing even just one seat. I find that their concern is telling of their play style, they need to make hands. You can use this to your advantage. other typical attributes of players who insist on playing at a full table are risk averse, don't adjust to position as much as they should ergo both their cut off and UTG range are similarly and pretty narrow. this is also they type of player vpiping 7 who is complaining the table is dead after 4 hands where no one calls his 7x opens

the old guy regfish who dont like playing short handed are not usually action either they are usually the ones just limping to try to make a hand and find that they get a better "price" to play multiway pots if they have 9 people dealt in also it makes limping strong hands seemingly more effective which is another favorite of this player type

Smartest thing is to adjust based on conditions, if not, second best would to create situations most favorable or be in one.