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Old 05-10-2015, 07:54 AM   #9376
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<insult scrubbed> You should be happy that your room is so soft compared to anywhere else in the world. For every 1 fish melb has, Sydney has 10 equivalent or worse skilled players. AJ is definitely good! The afro guy is good but would def not crush if he was in a normal regish 5.10.20 melb game, even from his own admission he said he never wins in melb. Its funny most of the sydney 'regs' who come to melb all complain they never win, I wonder why that is.

And for a good player 5/5 is more profitable than 2/4, I can see why you think otherwise though, if you struggle to win at 5/5 in Sydney. I would give up poker altogether if i wasnt winning in your 5/5 game for at least 50 an hour. Which any person with half a brain should be able to figure out how to do pretty easily.

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Old 05-10-2015, 11:42 AM   #9377
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Hey what's a small and what's a big downswing for you guys grinding 1-2 or 2-5 full time. Probably nobody is grinding 1-2 1-3 but If you are chime in.

5 buyins? 10 buyins? Doesn't even affect you one bit unless it's 20 buyins?

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Old 05-10-2015, 01:30 PM   #9378
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Hey what's a small and what's a big downswing for you guys grinding 1-2 or 2-5 full time. Probably nobody is grinding 1-2 1-3 but If you are chime in.

5 buyins? 10 buyins? Doesn't even affect you one bit unless it's 20 buyins?

Cheers.
5 buy ins is pretty standard. 10 Buy ins is quite large. It is likely indicative of some big leaks in your game if you run into one without thousands of hours logged. At 15-20, you have some serious issues, and are unlikely to be beating the game for more than a few bbs/hour. I'm assuming at least 100bb BI.
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Old 05-10-2015, 04:50 PM   #9379
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<insult scrubbed> You should be happy that your room is so soft compared to anywhere else in the world. For every 1 fish melb has, Sydney has 10 equivalent or worse skilled players. AJ is definitely good! The afro guy is good but would def not crush if he was in a normal regish 5.10.20 melb game, even from his own admission he said he never wins in melb. Its funny most of the sydney 'regs' who come to melb all complain they never win, I wonder why that is.

And for a good player 5/5 is more profitable than 2/4, I can see why you think otherwise though, if you struggle to win at 5/5 in Sydney. I would give up poker altogether if i wasnt winning in your 5/5 game for at least 50 an hour. Which any person with half a brain should be able to figure out how to do pretty easily.
Feel better now?

It's all going to be ok. I'm sure you're a very very good player

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Old 05-10-2015, 05:31 PM   #9380
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Hey what's a small and what's a big downswing for you guys grinding 1-2 or 2-5 full time. Probably nobody is grinding 1-2 1-3 but If you are chime in.

5 buyins? 10 buyins? Doesn't even affect you one bit unless it's 20 buyins?

Cheers.
At the start of 2014 I swung 7bi down at 1/2.

As a disclaimer I didn't even know what size the pot was.

Nowadays my standard swing is 3-4 BI is a medium sized over about 1k hours
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:34 PM   #9381
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A long time ago, when the Mirage was "the place to play" (since the Bellagio hadn't been built yet and the Stardust poker room had lost whatever glitter it had) I had to be there on business 3-4 days a week, 3-4 weeks a month, for 5 months out of 12.

I met more than one grinder, got to know some of the sub-culture of the day (they knew I was a tourist but not your typical tourist).

The game was 10-20 limit and not today's game.

The guys I talked at length with, were all trying to "go pro"... I say "trying" because it was July, and one guy was even for the calendar year. Another guy was down $5000 for the year. A third was up $1500 for the year, which amounted to $250 a month. These guys wanted to "live the dream" and played 40+ hours a week every week.

(The rake was 10%, $4 max, and most of the pots were mountainous. The guys who couldn't beat the game didn't have "high rake" or "lack of action" as an excuse.)

Guarantee I would not continue if I were down $5,000 for the year to date!

Yes, the winners didn't want to talk, only the wanna-be's would discuss this stuff with me, but for sure, it's not "easy money".

Yes, LLSNL is a different game, it's a different time, and the players are different, but the math is not.
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Old 05-10-2015, 08:06 PM   #9382
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A long time ago, when the Mirage was "the place to play" (since the Bellagio hadn't been built yet and the Stardust poker room had lost whatever glitter it had) I had to be there on business 3-4 days a week, 3-4 weeks a month, for 5 months out of 12.

I met more than one grinder, got to know some of the sub-culture of the day (they knew I was a tourist but not your typical tourist).

The game was 10-20 limit and not today's game.

The guys I talked at length with, were all trying to "go pro"... I say "trying" because it was July, and one guy was even for the calendar year. Another guy was down $5000 for the year. A third was up $1500 for the year, which amounted to $250 a month. These guys wanted to "live the dream" and played 40+ hours a week every week.

(The rake was 10%, $4 max, and most of the pots were mountainous. The guys who couldn't beat the game didn't have "high rake" or "lack of action" as an excuse.)

Guarantee I would not continue if I were down $5,000 for the year to date!

Yes, the winners didn't want to talk, only the wanna-be's would discuss this stuff with me, but for sure, it's not "easy money".

Yes, LLSNL is a different game, it's a different time, and the players are different, but the math is not.
Im sorry but why would you even compare limit holdem to no limit holdem?
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Old 05-10-2015, 08:40 PM   #9383
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Yes, LLSNL is a different game, it's a different time, and the players are different, but the math is not.






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Im sorry but why would you even compare limit holdem to no limit holdem?
Top notch reading comprehension ITT
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:20 PM   #9384
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:11 PM   #9385
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I know its not the most valuable stat to have for live play and a lol-sample size number of hours, but what is a reasonable "standard deviation" relative to "average" for hourly winrate?

Over ~360 hours my std dev is a little over 13x my hourly. Is this way too swingy to consider myself a winning player?
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:18 PM   #9386
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70-100bbs per hour is normal std.

Need to know ur winrate to say if ur a winner.
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:36 PM   #9387
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70-100bbs per hour is normal std.

Need to know ur winrate to say if ur a winner.
Neat. A little over 100bb/hr std dev, but I would say I play relatively loose, more so once stacks get a bit deeper so that makes sense. 8.5 bb/hr winrate.

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Old 05-11-2015, 10:44 PM   #9388
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Hey guys, due to internet troubles I may be withdrawing $1k of my 2.6k roll to play live 1/2. Do you think 5 buyins will be OK for someone who can beat up to 100NL on bovada? I plan on playing very tight and just value betting unless I am in overwhelmingly good bluff spots.

I'd just take the whole roll out but I will get hit with a 5% re-deposit fee on Bovada, so I'd like to keep a 50NL roll on Bovada and take the rest live.

I would only be playing on weekend nights.
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:26 PM   #9389
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Hey guys, due to internet troubles I may be withdrawing $1k of my 2.6k roll to play live 1/2. Do you think 5 buyins will be OK for someone who can beat up to 100NL on bovada? I plan on playing very tight and just value betting unless I am in overwhelmingly good bluff spots.

I'd just take the whole roll out but I will get hit with a 5% re-deposit fee on Bovada, so I'd like to keep a 50NL roll on Bovada and take the rest live.

I would only be playing on weekend nights.
You should do fine with 5bi. Just play a lower variance style.
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:34 PM   #9390
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You should do fine with 5bi. Just play a lower variance style.
Would you suggest leaving tables after doubling up or just avoiding reverse implied odd type hands as we get deeper?
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:48 PM   #9391
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@BM303 some people are good at sniping but I don't think you should leave a table if it is still good. You should stay as long as the table is good and you are playing well.
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Old 05-12-2015, 01:10 AM   #9392
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@BM303 some people are good at sniping but I don't think you should leave a table if it is still good. You should stay as long as the table is good and you are playing well.
This is true, but you don't want to be on a table with half your roll too often.
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Old 05-12-2015, 01:31 AM   #9393
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The games are always good. If you double up get off the table. If they allow you to change tables and buy in for less than you left with, do that.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:51 AM   #9394
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or just avoiding reverse implied odd type hands as we get deeper?
So if you had 50 buyins you'd just burn it in RIO spots?
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Old 05-26-2015, 03:21 AM   #9395
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Running so damn hot in may holy sht.

Brag time, up 5.5k at 1/2 in 3 weeks. All my hand holds and all my bluff work, all my bluffcatching have the perfect runout, feels good.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:02 AM   #9396
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YTD graph plz.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:58 AM   #9397
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Running so damn hot in may holy sht.

Brag time, up 5.5k at 1/2 in 3 weeks. All my hand holds and all my bluff work, all my bluffcatching have the perfect runout, feels good.
i am on a similar, but not quite as hot streak. up $4200 in last 90 hours. a friend of mine wisely advised.. "its hard not to have too much fun during these stretches, but i try not to"
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Old 05-26-2015, 03:09 PM   #9398
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i am on a similar, but not quite as hot streak. up $4200 in last 90 hours. a friend of mine wisely advised.. "its hard not to have too much fun during these stretches, but i try not to"
Haha yeah. Motivation to play is through the roof. I have 140 hours logged thought, so your hourly is a bit better then mine.

No clue how to post graph?
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:05 PM   #9399
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Congrats on heater. I had a similar one a month ago. Keep up the good work but don't get cocky!
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:08 PM   #9400
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May has been a break even grind. Just getting worked by the deck and folding for hours mostly. Here's to June.
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