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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
6 5.88%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
7 6.86%
5-7.5
8 7.84%
7.5-10
17 16.67%
10+
39 38.24%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
25 24.51%

03-31-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
Alot of people asking about there stats on here with just 100-200 hrs played.

They mean nothing!!!!!!!!

I generally don't post statistic s on here. But here are my last 3 small sample sizes.

Only 1/2 300 max

42hrs=+4, 914. (Obviously ran like the sun)

74hrs= $-2142
21hrs=$+2492 (great games, guys gave me 150BB stacks)

You can look at results and say I am aggro idiot with a **** ton of variance (and run good). But I have over 1k hrs of stats and rest show normal swings. The game we love has cruel and epic swings. There is no way to know a true winrate at 200hrs. Doubt we know our true winrate at 5k hours.
100% agreed.

I previously posted some statistics covering 3000+ hours. At each session I pulled the previous 100 hours and calculated winrate over that window. There is a LOT of noise in a 100 hour sample. Some with very high winrates, others with very low.

Based on the results it looked like 500 hour samples took out a lot of the noise and gave me something that I'd think "this is at least a start to analyzing my play over the past couple of months".

The problem with larger samples about 1000 hours is that our game itself has evolved, or at least it should have. Those are multiple *months* of time that we've had to study and improve. So the results from the start of the sample may not be comparable to the ones at the end. It's not the same as playing online and putting in 10k hands between off table study sessions.
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04-01-2015 , 09:39 PM
Anyone got a specific method for bankroll mechanics? Something like, "on the first of each month I take whatever is above 6k out of my roll and put it in my checking acct. I pay all bills and expenses out of checking acct. I also have 10k or whatever in a savings acct in case I bust my roll and checking acct. Thats my oh frick I'm going to get a job but I have some breathing room money"
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04-01-2015 , 09:58 PM
^ I don't see a need for separation. Just spend as little as possible but keep track of both. Have a spreadsheet for your poker winnings and a spreadsheet for your expenses.
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04-05-2015 , 03:13 AM
As someone who only has a small sample (~200 hours), how would I go about calculating a confidence interval for what my "true" win rate could be?
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04-05-2015 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy
As someone who only has a small sample (~200 hours), how would I go about calculating a confidence interval for what my "true" win rate could be?

Play 1k hours. Look at win rate. Realize that even then you have no real idea.
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04-05-2015 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy
As someone who only has a small sample (~200 hours), how would I go about calculating a confidence interval for what my "true" win rate could be?
Don't even think about it. Just play as well as you can. Your win rate is your win rate. Evaluate your play. Improve your decisions, focus on every decision. Nothing else matters
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04-05-2015 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy
As someone who only has a small sample (~200 hours), how would I go about calculating a confidence interval for what my "true" win rate could be?
Why is it important?
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04-05-2015 , 08:54 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/poker-game-c...r-skill-317083

Interesting study showing it only takes 1,500 hands to start seeing poker is a game of skill for winning players. That is about 50 hours of live play.

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04-05-2015 , 11:06 AM
Which is not even close to the same thing as being able to discern whether a player is a winning player after 1500 hands, btw.
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04-05-2015 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Which is not even close to the same thing as being able to discern whether a player is a winning player after 1500 hands, btw.
Agree.

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04-05-2015 , 11:51 AM
Hello,Im a 1/2 player but in some casinos now only 1/3 is available.my problem is I cant play 100BB because I have only 4k,so while I think 20 BI should be enough(or should i need more?) for 1/2(im a decent winning player if I dont play against good regs), how I should approach myself if only 1/3 is available and I see is a good profitable game.I play 50-60 hours a week(more if I play good and win),what a good strategy u suggest?ty
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04-05-2015 , 03:54 PM
Take selective shots at 1/3. Take your winnings and put them into your roll. If you lose right out of the gates go back to 1/2 and build back up. Rinse/repeat.
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04-05-2015 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pexw
Not sure if I should make a new thread for this or not.

I'm an architect and I've been playing live 1/2 and 1/3 since January. My sample size is obviously still really small yet but I want to see if anyone can make anything of my current stats.




I know 90 hours is not enough to determine anything, but any feedback would be great. I know I'm not a great player, but I feel like I have had a lot of bad luck in my last several sessions. Like getting all-in with the nuts only to be boated up on. I do believe that if I continue playing I will eventually win over a long period of time. But I'm finding it's nearly impossible to get people to fold their flush or straight draws at these games I play in. It's almost like I need to tighten up even more and only play the nittiest possible game in order to win. I have plugged one major leak that I had early on, which is paying people off on the river when I know I'm beat. I'm studying every week and I feel like my game is definitely improving. One of the big edges I've found in these games is sitting to the left of LAG players who will bet with nothing and call all your raises.

Here's my rough pre-flop opening range (this obviously varies depending on villains, e.g. I'll loosen up a bit at a tight table and tighten up at a loose one):

Blinds: AKs, QQ+
EP: JJ+, AJ+
MP: 88+, T9s+, KJ+, AJo+, ATs+
LP: 55+, 87s+, QT+, KTs+, A8s+, 98o+, AJo+
BTN: 22+, 56s+, J9s+, KTs+, K9s+, Axs, A8o+, 87o+, T8o+

My pre-flop 3bet range is very tight. I'm usually only 3-betting AK, KQs, or JJ+. It loosens up a little bit if I'm on the BTN, then I might consider 3-betting something like JTs+ 1/3 of the time.

I'll typically limp a lot of low pocket pairs and suited connectors from MP and LP.

I try to play a pretty tight ABC game and throw in a few semi-bluffs here or there. I will fold to a cbet or post-flop 3bet most of the time if my cards don't hit. At the same time, I don't think I'm the most predictable player at the table. I try to do things to throw people off here or there like 3-betting with 87s in MP or limping JJ.

One thing I find really hard to do is to leave a game when I'm behind after a few hours. Like if I'm down $100 after 5 hours I'll sit there until I go bust rather than just going home.

Any feedback is very much appreciated!
Witch app you use to track the winnings?
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04-06-2015 , 03:17 PM
Ty NeverLoaseatpoker.another question guys.how many BI u ned at 1-2 if u are a winning player against bad palyers but break even against good ones?at 1-3(is ok to play it with 200$ or is fishy?)?.ty
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04-06-2015 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pexw
One thing I find really hard to do is to leave a game when I'm behind after a few hours. Like if I'm down $100 after 5 hours I'll sit there until I go bust rather than just going home.
IMO, you'll never be a winning poker player until you break this bad habit.

Having a winning image at the table is a huge advantage.
If Phil Ivey can pick up & leave after a few hrs of running bad, why can't you ask for a table change?
Ivey doesn't have the luxury of moving to another high stakes NL game.

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Originally Posted by Redjack777
Ty NeverLoaseatpoker.another question guys.how many BI u ned at 1-2 if u are a winning player against bad palyers but break even against good ones?at 1-3(is ok to play it with 200$ or is fishy?)?.ty
I have a 6k bankroll for 20 $300.00 buyins. I've never had a downswing of of more than 1.1k over 3/4 weeks. I believe the fact that after losing 1.1k, I know I still have almost 5k left helps a lot.

You're talking [I believe] about 1 session. I would not consider going to casino to play 1/2 for fun back in the day, without $750.00 - 3 buyins of $250. I prefer to have more in my pocket than I am willing to lose. I'd cut & run @ ~$600 or less. Would have made a few table changes if the one I was at was not real good.

Last edited by ZuneIt; 04-06-2015 at 03:58 PM.
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04-06-2015 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Don't even think about it. Just play as well as you can. Your win rate is your win rate. Evaluate your play. Improve your decisions, focus on every decision. Nothing else matters
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Why is it important?
It's not important and it isn't something I spend a ton of time thinking about. Just thought it would be interesting to see some range of what it could be. Or see what the likelihood of me actually being a winning player is.
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04-07-2015 , 01:25 AM
I buyin for $300, usually only have 2 at max. Starting to have to start going with $200 now because my bank roll is depleted. Everytime I lose a decent pot sized hand, I would get mad or go on tilt and start calling with not so good hands like 910o to hit 2 pair or straight to stack him, but last time I did that 9-10o landed top 2 on 9-10-7 board and short stack had 8J and LP had A10 and rivered a A on the river. Everytime someone raises to pot on the turn and i got a BDFD, it never comes. I wish luck would just help hit it, even though I know its a low % chance of hitting, but I just can't help it but call that big bet to hit the hand for "implied odds".
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04-13-2015 , 01:29 PM
Question for Poker Journal users:

Does anyone know how to auto transfer data from one phone to another? Had Poker Journal on iPhone 4 and just got the 6 +. I know how to export to Excel but is there a way to export the data from on app to the other?

Don't feel like wasting hours entering all my sessions
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04-13-2015 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyLikeABird
Question for Poker Journal users:

Does anyone know how to auto transfer data from one phone to another? Had Poker Journal on iPhone 4 and just got the 6 +. I know how to export to Excel but is there a way to export the data from on app to the other?

Don't feel like wasting hours entering all my sessions
Can you not sync *all* your data from the phone to your computer, then sync it onto the new phone?

I thought people did that all the time with their smart phones now.
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04-13-2015 , 03:05 PM
There is a poker journal thread in these forums.
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04-14-2015 , 11:06 AM
So I've been tracking results from January 1, 2014. I have played 1/2 (100-300 cap) for about 2.5 years until I moved up to 2/5 (200-500 cap) in March 2015 playing at Maryland Live.

My hourly rate was around $9.8/hr at 1/2 tracking results from Jan 1, 2014 - Mar 1, 2015. Since moving up to 2/5 I have been making 6x what I normally do. I feel like I've been running super hot, but I also notice there is much more money to be made at 2/5.

Can 2/5 really be this much better of a game compared to 1/2 where I'm making 62-73 an hour and only having a losing session 1 out of every 6 sessions or so? Or am I just running like God and should be prepared for a massive downswing to push me back down? I've never experienced an upswing for this long.

Take a look at my stats and let me know your thoughts:



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04-14-2015 , 03:43 PM
Sample size is still really small,so there's not a perfect answer. It's likely a combination of you running really hot and playing better/less splashing around in the bigger game. Winning 85% of your sessions isnt typically sustainable so expect that to go down in thethe long run.

Tldr don't be results oriented and focus on playing well/improving. Good luck

Also wanted to add that its really good that you're aware you are running good,and that winning a lot right off the bat didn't get to your head.
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04-14-2015 , 03:53 PM
keep it up thats awesome. Would be pretty outrageous if your anything but a winner in this game. As to how much, gotta still be up in the air. good luck
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04-14-2015 , 04:45 PM
Thanks guys. Can anyone share with me their hourly winrate at a similar 500 cap 2/5 game? I know all rooms are different but I'd like to see what the norm and what the peak high end of expectation is out there.
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04-14-2015 , 07:28 PM
I've played 50 sessions of 1/2 500max with almost 270 hours and im at +$6002

This is a bit over $22/hour so it seems above expected
But I have only won 56% of my sessions too so its odd

What do you guys think is a high winning hrly at 1/2?

Heres my graph:

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