Novi area, probably not the same place corlath

Ah, definitely not!

Personally for me, i have money set aside where if some disaster occurred and my 50 buyins were wiped i would still be financially okay, at least for some while. So for me my personal roll is separated from my poker roll. But im still a bankroll nit, so i follow the 50buyin rule.

Im actually way overrolled for 2-5 (the current game i mostly play). Starting to make the transition to 5-T as im approaching 50 buyins for that level

30 buyins is doable too, but i just like the peace of mind knowing that im very well rolled for the game i play. Being financial responsible and mitigating risk is part of being a good player. So i've taken it to the extreme.

Thats not to say i dont occasionally take shots.

Stupid question:

Getting $20K. Want to put aside the correct amount for expenses and poker roll (for $1/$3).

I was going to go with $11K for life; $9K for poker. That's an even 300 buyins or 3000 BBs. Now, ATSai says 2000BB ($6,000) would be adequate. I'm now thinking of going $6K because, hell, I'll still have the extra $3K set aside and can always reload if I start off with bad results.

Thoughts?

you mean 30 buyins, right? 20 buyins (or 2000 bbs) is more adequate @ 1/3 if you are a consistent winner.

You could use the extra 3k as a 6bi shot at 2/5 if you are comfortable doing that. If you are a consistent winner at 1/3, 20bis should be fine for a roll if your shot taking fails.

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Yeah, damn typos. I hate making typos.

Possibly. Want to get off to a good start when I do this, though, so might wait a month or so before taking that shot.

FWIW, you don't need as large of a bankroll when you have a high win-rate, and you definitely need a larger than normal bankroll when you have a relatively low win-rate.

Win-rate is really the most important determinant of how much bankroll that you really need. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to determine your true win-rate in live NLHE. Just use your best educated guess (without being biased).

Cliff Notes: If you are confident that you crush the games for a ridiculously high win-rate, you probably don't need as much of a bankroll as is normally recommended. If you are confident that you have a relatively low-winrate compared to others regs/pros, then you definitely need a larger than normal bankroll than is normally recommended.

OK, thanks. I will probably go with the higher number then. I'm more of a grinder, not a crusher.

Just start running it up and save your money. then you can put $3k towards your bankroll and 3k towards your life roll. Easy game.

I'm playing part time now, have a family and child....just started again last year.

Have a job and used to play 2/5 before I got married...never took stats but I was up modestly from what I remember.

My BR is at about $4k, I just started taking stats last year on my phone.

11.47 hourly rate for 1/2 over 340 hours sustainable? (15 months)

I'm just playing as a side thing, to make spending cash hopefully.

Yup at 5.5bb/hr that is sustainable and also could probably be increased if some leaks could be plugged. Generally speaking 10bb/hr is the "crushing it" line. Although 340 hours is a pretty small sample size to determine wr to any degree of certainty.

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You need to specify what rake structure you are talking about?? I play mainly 2/4 game with 10% up to $12 with a $5 seating charge (paid on average every 5hrs).
I would not think 10bb/hr is sustainable in this game.

This a pretty massive rake.

Just saying.

The 2/5 games that I play in are 10% capped at $5..

He lives in Australia

The game itself doesn't seem sustainable.

100bb at 2/4 is $400.

35 hands per hour at $8/hand = $280 an hour removed from the table.

$5 x 10 seats = $50, and divide that by 5 = $10/hr.

Combining both, we're talking about ~$300 removed from the table every hour.

So if everyone starts with 100bb, even without doing anything, almost one player drops out of the game automatically every hour.

Playing this game is not smart.

I'm not saying the game is super good, but I think your assumptions are a bit off.

A normal 1/2 table averages only 31 hands / hour.
And they average $96 / hour in rake or $3.02/hand

So even if we assume that they get 2x the rake / hand which is high as a lot of pots are not capped, then that's still only an average of $6/hand. So that's $180 rake per hour.

That's $18/hour. That's 4.5bb / hour.

A really good player pre rake should be beating games for 13+ bb / hour so that minus the rake, minus tipping, - 1bb / hour (which is a seat change ever hour, which would be stupid) it still a 6-7bb/hour win rate.

I think your number is a bit too low, but nevertheless it's ~$200/hr.

And I never said whether WR is sustainable; I said the game doesn't seem sustainable.

$200 = 100bb, or 1 player is removed from the game automatically. In 10 hours, a whole table worth of money has been raked.

2 tables running for ~2 days will literally remove 100 BIs from its player pool.

One month? ~1,500 BIs remove from its pool.

Gotcha. I see what you're saying.

Yes, without a super huge player pool, it would dry up really fast.

Or people just don't care, and have deep pockets.
One of the two is needed to sustain the game.

So 10bb/hr is crushing the game. Wow that seems high but I guess there are players that can get that win rate playing live.

What is the rake structure like at your casino? Because honestly 10bb/hr at 1/2 is pretty reasonable in most player pools.

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I've got a reasonably big sample and I would say it is beatable but nowhere near 10bb/hr.
Btw it plays 9 handed and players not allows to tip fwiw

For a laugh ..
5/5 game 1s don't play so the rake is rounded up.

wow. those lowest games have to be unbeatable.

Ldo