Yes...
It's just not significant results.

That's basically my point.

There are plenty of 5/10 winning online regs I play regularly. In live games, I have a decent edge and basicay crush them. Online against them, I would be toast.

I rarely played higher than 3/6 online, with the majority being 1/2 and 2/4. Had a decent w/r but nothing spectacular. I play mostly 2/5 live primarily bexause of availability, and play 5/10 when I can. The deeper the stacks, the bigger my edge. I'm not a huge fan if being 100bb effective.

I crush these limits live, but If I were to take the same style of game I play live and apply them directly to an online 1/2 game, I would get crushed. Different skill sets, different approaches to the game.

While I doubt a 5/10 NL pro would ever be a losing 2/5-5/10 NL player, you can't assume he would have an edge at 10/25+ live. And a winning 5/10 live player is just as likely to be able to beat NL400 as he is to be a loser at NL100, IMO.

So most of the graphs people post in here are total winnings over hours played, total winnings over sessions played, etc. Does anybody with a decent sample size have graphs of hourly rate over time? Y-Axis showing cumulative dollars per hour, X-Axis showing cumulative hours or session number. I think it would be interesting to see how steady that line gets after a while. Not sure if this is doable in the tracking apps.

All very true...easier to transition from on-line to live GENERALLY than the other way around. Would be curious to see what you think the biggest hole in your game would be if you moved to on-line play? I know or at least I think I know what my weaknesses are relative to midstakes online player pools.

Good stuff.

IMO live is more art and online more science. Online I lean towards math to dictate my play. Live I get a bit more creative and use the additional info the live game provides to my advantage.

I'm a much better, and more dangerous, live player.

Well put.

I wholeheartedly agree your statement about the creativity/art of live vs math online.

From the last 2 posts it sounds like we r brothers from other mothers- except im the more handsome brother

Regarding win rate over time, I currently use poker income pro and it does not graph that stat. I can filter just about anything and see the results yet I can only graph a limited number of stats.

i learned how to play live and agree 100%. i am pretty good with physical tells especially with timing, word play and posture

a lot of this is due to the fish in live, honestly im crushing the 5/10 game here where i play bc the players are awful. wouldnt be winning 50nl players IMO
but bc ive learned so much crushing these idiots i know im a good player all around wherever i play.

honestly 2/5 players around the country are generally pretty bad, i can go to any 2/5 game and be the best or second best at the table

-alsa a persons demographics and appearance can tell you everything. i know which kids are money scared and whio are not. also chip stacks can tell you as well- tight players stack there chips perfectly and pay perfect attention to them. whereas looser players keep them more messy

i keep mine in increments of 20 and pretty neat but dont pay attention to them. i play tight pre but am capable of anything post and i am pretty sure anyone could tell by my image and appearance (also my 10k wallet that i always have lol)

First I was like...if it's only that easy. Then it all kind of makes sense.

It isn't that easy - just that you think it is.

10K in the wallet, or the wallet itself cost 10K. If the latter, i can tell youre probably out of your damn mind, though i also think the same thing about people with expensive watches.

+1

Could be done pretty easily if people could export their data from a tracking app - the apps themselves don't have that kind of graph (to my knowledge).

Hey. I don't have a graphical representation of hourly fluctuations but I can tell you this. I have almost 1700 hours logged and my hourly always sits between 30-40. Example. I lost 10k in two sessions and my hourly dropped from 40 to 34. But for the most part, once I hit 1500 hours or so, the hourly doesn't move a whole lot. Almost always in the 30-40 window. Not sure if this helps.

Apologies, but I originally posted this in the main forum and was told to re-direct: (original post below)

OK, maybe I am too OCD for my own good, but do you/should you count your commute to the casino when calculating your hourly win rate?

It normally takes me 20-45 minutes to get to the casino, 15-45 minutes on a wait list and 20-45 minutes to get back. All told that is 1-2+ hours. If I actually included this my 6-8 hour playing sessions go down in profitability by up to 33%.

I know no one lives at the casino and I am not playing during the commute, but if we are strictly talking about the "value of my time", the commute is there.

Thoughts?

Do you consider your commute in your hourly for your job?

It's just all about how you want to think about it - your poker hourly, or your trip hourly. Obviously you're not playing poker while commuting, so it's irrelevant to your actual win-rate. But it still matters in terms of opportunity cost and other considerations. So use whatever makes sense for the specific thing you're thinking about. Poker Journal allows you to enter "break time" for sessions, so you could always include that for your commute time.

No.

If poker was my sole source of income If I was relying on poker as an income stream, then I would track all the hours and expenses I spent generating that income. IOW: playing, commuting, studying, poker-housekeeping (i.e. managing the money), expenses.

In that case, it would be identical to the way I track any other personal business.

However, for me, since poker is essentially a profitable hobby, I only track the time spent being dealt cards.

Skipping over whether you actually should be calculating an hourly rate, it doesn't matter. Whatever makes you feel better about it.

I think its natural and healthy to want to figure out this number for future planning. I don't, however, believe you should use it an excuse or method to work on your game.

If you drove to a regular hourly paying job, would you count your commute time then when calculating your hourly winrate?

So if you live 8 hours from the casino your hourly is $5/hr but if you had a room at the casino your hourly might be $20/hr. That's just dumb.

That's inherently the problem here, people using it for future planning without understanding the nature of variance and that WR is not consistent given so many variables.

Perhaps. Unless youre trying to figure out whether its worthwhile to get a room at the casino. Or play in a different, tougher game thats closer by.

2014 to date:
Profit: $2855
$/hr: $67.12
played: 42 hours, 32 minutes
Cashed: 6/7 (87%)
Bankroll: $3155


If anyone is interested in reading my LLSNL PG&C, here is the link:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...llsnl-1410059/

I track gas expenses out of my profits but dont figure it towards hourly. Each trip costs me about $20 in gas so that helps me.

Hi all,

I currently dip into my bankroll each month to cover expenses and extra stuff and therefore it doesn't build on itself. I need it to supplement my job's income to stay afloat (I run a business that's still new so I make just enough to get by and use my poker earnings to supplement).

I currently make ~$18/hour according to my poker tracker playing Live 1/2 NL at a casino. I play about 3 times a week for 8 hours each. This is the only place I play. I'd like to separate my bankroll from living expenses and try and build on it separate from my normal life. Does anyone have a good system/way of doing this? Maybe say if I log a session where I win $600 I'll cash out $300 of the winnings and keep half the winnings in actual casino chips and keep doing this til my bankroll is purely in casino chips?