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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

01-17-2014 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
I do this too and just review it on every break or every time I'm going into autopilot. I also keep my short term and long term goals at the top of the note page. And then pep talk type stuff as I scroll down. Its helped me a lot to stay focused and not spew.

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I've also recently started keeping a list of things to do / not do on my iPhone as well, and try to review it when I feel myself slipping up.
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01-17-2014 , 02:49 PM
Making $40 an hour since i started playing seriously, over a sample size of 800 hours.
Hoping i can get that up to $50 this year.
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01-17-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ThanksUSuck
One thing I find helpful for long sessions and stack management. Is to set a limit on how much you are willing to lose/spew in a particular situation. That might be 40bb bluff or 100bbs you are willing to lose with AA etc....
Might as well get up and leave if you aren't going to play optimally.
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01-17-2014 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
Might as well get up and leave if you aren't going to play optimally.
why. Not playing is less optimal than playing optimally also.
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01-17-2014 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Date|Stake|Buy in #|Buy in $|Total Out|Time|Comments

It's all on one tab with these multiple columns. Then there are summary tabs and graph tabs.

The great thing about using excel is functionality, I can quickly filter my biggest losses and see that 80% of them are 10+ hour sessions (tilt). I can make whatever graph of whatever data I want. I can see how profitable Tuesdays are (yes I realize several phone apps can do this) I can read through my comments after a month's worth of sessions and see how my thoughts relate from session to session.
How do you handle the "comments?" A text box just takes up a ton of space. If I just type my session comments into a cell, the cell gets huge and take up space too. Ideally, I'd like to have the comments exist in a cell, not have that cell's dimensions change. And if I wanted to read any session's comments I could double-click to enlarge it or something, then when I'm done, hide it again.
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01-17-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Turyia
why. Not playing is less optimal than playing optimally also.


Depends on how much you value doing other things.
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01-18-2014 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
How do you handle the "comments?" A text box just takes up a ton of space. If I just type my session comments into a cell, the cell gets huge and take up space too. Ideally, I'd like to have the comments exist in a cell, not have that cell's dimensions change. And if I wanted to read any session's comments I could double-click to enlarge it or something, then when I'm done, hide it again.
There are two main ways I can think of. The first way (which is what I currently do) is have the column it's regular width or just slightly longer (like 10.5) and have the main focus of the comment be the first several key words. The overall comment is still there, it's just hidden, but when you select the cell it fully displays in the formula box.

So like mine would be:

(In cell)

MORE AGGRO SHORT:

(Once selected in formula box)

MORE AGGRO SHORT:. Remember that as the table gets shorthanded position matters more and cards matter much less. Blinds also actually start to matter. Can't be a nit (well as much of a nit)

The other idea I have is to have a key on your main tab and simply have your own tab for comments.

So on the actual session row in the comments column you have 27

Then you can go to the comments tab and see comment 27 in it's entirety. You could set it up so when you click on the comment cell with 27 it takes you directly to it on the comments page, etc.
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01-18-2014 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I've also recently started keeping a list of things to do / not do on my iPhone as well, and try to review it when I feel myself slipping up.
There are plenty of apps available that are designed as medication reminders that can be set to provide any reminder at any frequency. So, e.g., one could remind oneself "be patient" every hour at xx:15.

Anytimer is one such app.
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01-19-2014 , 05:02 AM
Anyone keep track of AI EV? Not too difficult, record the $, the hands, the board, find out the exact % when you get home.

I don't. I also don't know if it would have any purpose except for trying to take the AI EV dollar amount out of your profit, then you have a "pure" win rate. But if I were above EV, I would just hope to keep running that good until death. And if I were running below, it's not like I would be able to say, "I know it'll turn around soon."
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01-19-2014 , 12:51 PM
IMO all in EV is a somewhat overblown stat... much more variance in flops/turns/coolers/draws-whiff-or-hit before the money goes in.
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01-19-2014 , 01:27 PM
I note all in EV when I analyze the big hands I played after a session. Good to know if I got the money in good or bad, also helpful when I look at a big losing session and can pinpoint a big cooler that caused it. Helps avoid tilt and frustration about my game when I can see that I still made the best decision.
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01-21-2014 , 08:36 AM
Kind of a vague question,
But If somebody is crushing 2-5 llsnl for 10bb/hr, at what level would their skills translate over to the online world for 5bb/100?
Ie Would they be able to beat 6max 25nl for 5bb/100?
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01-21-2014 , 08:58 AM
They are completely different games and the correlation depends more on your style and ability to adapt than it does w/r or any other factors.
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01-21-2014 , 11:42 AM
Somebody who crushes live cash could be a losing player online
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01-21-2014 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Somebody who crushes live cash could be a losing player online
I feel like anybody who crushes live cash should be able to beat at the very least .01/.02 online
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01-21-2014 , 02:04 PM
Who the **** cares about beating a 2 dollar buy in game?
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01-21-2014 , 02:20 PM
Always heard its 10x rule, as in the difficultly of a .25-.50 online game is about the same as a 2-5 live game. Although that was before Black Friday and the games are much tougher online now so idk if that still holds true
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01-21-2014 , 02:29 PM
I'm getting owned in 1c/2c online and I'm destroying (over 500 hours) 1/2 live. So, I dunno. Maybe I'm just too bored while playing 1c/2c because it's only 2c...
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01-21-2014 , 02:29 PM
I'm just saying that a 2 dollar buy in game is meaningless and a waste of time and I'd put the bottom end of like worthwhile stakes at 25 nl for somebody playing 1/2

might not be expressing what I'm trying to say right
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01-21-2014 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
I'm just saying that a 2 dollar buy in game is meaningless and a waste of time and I'd put the bottom end of like worthwhile stakes at 25 nl for somebody playing 1/2

might not be expressing what I'm trying to say right
Agreed.

When I used to play online I gave up moving up for exactly this reason. I could beat 2NL and 5NL without much hassle ... but at the end of the day it made more sense in terms of $/hr to go to the casino and play $1/2 instead.

It would be a different story now that I'm better and should be able to move up past that consistently online. We'll see when it finally comes back how juicy the games end up.
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01-21-2014 , 02:45 PM
While I think the 10x rule does have a ring of general truth to it, Black Friday taught us that making the transition from online to live is not as seamless as we would like it to be. Many people predicted there would be an influx of poker players to live casinos after Black Friday and that proved not to happen. Yes, sure a handful did, but the majority of American players either moved to places they could continue to play online or started over on sites that cater to American players or got real jobs or altered their lifestyle down.

While there are many truths about "poker" that crossover from live to online and vice versa, there are also many unique qualities to each that do not crossover and yet are essential for success. For example, for most online grinders, the HUD is pretty essential as is multitabling. For live play, there is no HUD or multitabling. So, a crucial skill that live players need that many online players either didn't have or didn't want to cultivate was patience. Having the patience to grind one table 4 to 8 hours a day and deal with the suckouts, bad beats, coolers, and swings is not as easy as it might sound - especially if you're used to 6 to 24 tabling FR or 12 tables of 6 max or a couple of tables of headsup.

So, while the skill argument may be valid when you're trying to assess whether you can successfully crossover to one or the other, it's the other factors that weigh more heavily. Can an online player stay focused and handle the boredom and not tilt? Can they handle the new hassles of having to put on clothes, leave the house, game select, have less choices, no rakeback, and so on? Can the live player multitask and play more tables and learn to use a HUD and do more without live tells? There's no one size fits all. A lot of it plays into individual personalities and if you've done one long enough or enjoy one more than the other.

I'm sure most legitimate winning players online could transition to live if they put their mind to it and vice versa, but there's a lot more factors and work they're going to have to put into it - there's definitely no rules or formula for future success, though.
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01-21-2014 , 03:02 PM
I'm looking to build my own Excel spreadsheet to keep track of my results. To anybody who did this and uses a BB field, I have a question. I want to be able to track three different NL games: $1-$2, $2-$5, and $1-$2-$5 (blinds are $1 and $2, but any action coming in must be at least $5). What would you consider to be the BB in this case? Any tips for how to keep it separate from 1-2 and 2-5, or if it would be more accurate to lump it in with one of those games?
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01-21-2014 , 03:05 PM
The big blind is 2... but you should add a column that is "structure" that allows you to distinguish a 1/2 5 game from a 1/2 game down the road. Also, you will probably want to record buy in structure with your records ($500 2/5 is much different than $1000 2/5, etc.)

Last edited by bip!; 01-21-2014 at 03:24 PM.
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01-21-2014 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bip!
IMO all in EV is a somewhat overblown stat... much more variance in flops/turns/coolers/draws-whiff-or-hit before the money goes in.
This. People seem to put so much stock into all in ev probably because it's the only part of variance you can measure. In the big scheme of how you're running overall it's not as important as people make it out to be.

Keeping track of your all in ev would be pretty pointless.
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01-21-2014 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
This. People seem to put so much stock into all in ev probably because it's the only part of variance you can measure. In the big scheme of how you're running overall it's not as important as people make it out to be.

Keeping track of your all in ev would be pretty pointless.
Can you measure it? If you run like god and get AA vs KK AIPF 10x in a short-time period and lose 3/10 times, are you really running below EV?
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