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Old 01-16-2014, 06:16 PM   #6201
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Good start to 2014:

4 sessions: +300, +265, +735, +60 at 1/2 NL. total: 18 hours, 35 minutes.

I'm a weekend rec player with a full time job. My home casino has 1-2 tables running most nights, and it is a laughably easy game right now. I've been 3-bet preflop zero (0) times in 18 hours of play. Zero. My "rungood" has consisted of nobody making any hands against me. I think I've been to showdown less than 10 times in 18 hours. I've made 1 set and 1 flush in that time. Both went to showdown for a big pot, so I was lucky in that sense. It's been a stress free 4 sessions, where the most I've been stuck at any time is about $80.


Hope I can keep it up!
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:06 PM   #6202
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my longest session is also my worst at 18 hours. I tend not to want to get up when Im playing ****ty/running ****ty. nothing like spending 18 hours straight with your ass glued to a table only to drive home broke and cracked out on diet cokes.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:33 PM   #6203
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People usually stay longer to chase after losses.

I am pretty certain that I only stay beyond 6 - 8 hours because I am stuck 2 BI+.

So my number for 8 - 20 hour sessions are always in the negative not because staying that long causes me to lose money, but rather that I am staying that long because I am already losing money.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:43 PM   #6204
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I put a list of reminders on my phone and it just takes practice
Can't believe how much discussion this generated but this is a great idea.

I currently do what Gilmore suggested but having like a solid list as a reminder + pep talk to self is a great idea.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:23 PM   #6205
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So my number for 8 - 20 hour sessions are always in the negative not because staying that long causes me to lose money, but rather that I am staying that long because I am already losing money.
Im pretty sure for everyone else its just compounded. you stay longer because you are losing. because you are their longer you are more tired and less likely to make great decisions and therefore more likely to lose more.
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Old 01-17-2014, 01:01 AM   #6206
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Can't believe how much discussion this generated but this is a great idea.

I currently do what Gilmore suggested but having like a solid list as a reminder + pep talk to self is a great idea.
I do this too and just review it on every break or every time I'm going into autopilot. I also keep my short term and long term goals at the top of the note page. And then pep talk type stuff as I scroll down. Its helped me a lot to stay focused and not spew.

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Old 01-17-2014, 12:15 PM   #6207
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I do this too and just review it on every break or every time I'm going into autopilot. I also keep my short term and long term goals at the top of the note page. And then pep talk type stuff as I scroll down. Its helped me a lot to stay focused and not spew.

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I've also recently started keeping a list of things to do / not do on my iPhone as well, and try to review it when I feel myself slipping up.
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:49 PM   #6208
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Making $40 an hour since i started playing seriously, over a sample size of 800 hours.
Hoping i can get that up to $50 this year.
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:41 PM   #6209
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One thing I find helpful for long sessions and stack management. Is to set a limit on how much you are willing to lose/spew in a particular situation. That might be 40bb bluff or 100bbs you are willing to lose with AA etc....
Might as well get up and leave if you aren't going to play optimally.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:04 PM   #6210
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Might as well get up and leave if you aren't going to play optimally.
why. Not playing is less optimal than playing optimally also.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:38 PM   #6211
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Date|Stake|Buy in #|Buy in $|Total Out|Time|Comments

It's all on one tab with these multiple columns. Then there are summary tabs and graph tabs.

The great thing about using excel is functionality, I can quickly filter my biggest losses and see that 80% of them are 10+ hour sessions (tilt). I can make whatever graph of whatever data I want. I can see how profitable Tuesdays are (yes I realize several phone apps can do this) I can read through my comments after a month's worth of sessions and see how my thoughts relate from session to session.
How do you handle the "comments?" A text box just takes up a ton of space. If I just type my session comments into a cell, the cell gets huge and take up space too. Ideally, I'd like to have the comments exist in a cell, not have that cell's dimensions change. And if I wanted to read any session's comments I could double-click to enlarge it or something, then when I'm done, hide it again.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:47 PM   #6212
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why. Not playing is less optimal than playing optimally also.


Depends on how much you value doing other things.
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:54 AM   #6213
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How do you handle the "comments?" A text box just takes up a ton of space. If I just type my session comments into a cell, the cell gets huge and take up space too. Ideally, I'd like to have the comments exist in a cell, not have that cell's dimensions change. And if I wanted to read any session's comments I could double-click to enlarge it or something, then when I'm done, hide it again.
There are two main ways I can think of. The first way (which is what I currently do) is have the column it's regular width or just slightly longer (like 10.5) and have the main focus of the comment be the first several key words. The overall comment is still there, it's just hidden, but when you select the cell it fully displays in the formula box.

So like mine would be:

(In cell)

MORE AGGRO SHORT:

(Once selected in formula box)

MORE AGGRO SHORT:. Remember that as the table gets shorthanded position matters more and cards matter much less. Blinds also actually start to matter. Can't be a nit (well as much of a nit)

The other idea I have is to have a key on your main tab and simply have your own tab for comments.

So on the actual session row in the comments column you have 27

Then you can go to the comments tab and see comment 27 in it's entirety. You could set it up so when you click on the comment cell with 27 it takes you directly to it on the comments page, etc.
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:56 AM   #6214
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I've also recently started keeping a list of things to do / not do on my iPhone as well, and try to review it when I feel myself slipping up.
There are plenty of apps available that are designed as medication reminders that can be set to provide any reminder at any frequency. So, e.g., one could remind oneself "be patient" every hour at xx:15.

Anytimer is one such app.
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:02 AM   #6215
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Anyone keep track of AI EV? Not too difficult, record the $, the hands, the board, find out the exact % when you get home.

I don't. I also don't know if it would have any purpose except for trying to take the AI EV dollar amount out of your profit, then you have a "pure" win rate. But if I were above EV, I would just hope to keep running that good until death. And if I were running below, it's not like I would be able to say, "I know it'll turn around soon."
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:51 PM   #6216
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IMO all in EV is a somewhat overblown stat... much more variance in flops/turns/coolers/draws-whiff-or-hit before the money goes in.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:27 PM   #6217
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I note all in EV when I analyze the big hands I played after a session. Good to know if I got the money in good or bad, also helpful when I look at a big losing session and can pinpoint a big cooler that caused it. Helps avoid tilt and frustration about my game when I can see that I still made the best decision.
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Old 01-21-2014, 08:36 AM   #6218
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Kind of a vague question,
But If somebody is crushing 2-5 llsnl for 10bb/hr, at what level would their skills translate over to the online world for 5bb/100?
Ie Would they be able to beat 6max 25nl for 5bb/100?
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Old 01-21-2014, 08:58 AM   #6219
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They are completely different games and the correlation depends more on your style and ability to adapt than it does w/r or any other factors.
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Old 01-21-2014, 11:42 AM   #6220
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Somebody who crushes live cash could be a losing player online
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Old 01-21-2014, 01:06 PM   #6221
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Somebody who crushes live cash could be a losing player online
I feel like anybody who crushes live cash should be able to beat at the very least .01/.02 online
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:04 PM   #6222
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Who the **** cares about beating a 2 dollar buy in game?
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:20 PM   #6223
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Always heard its 10x rule, as in the difficultly of a .25-.50 online game is about the same as a 2-5 live game. Although that was before Black Friday and the games are much tougher online now so idk if that still holds true
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:29 PM   #6224
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I'm getting owned in 1c/2c online and I'm destroying (over 500 hours) 1/2 live. So, I dunno. Maybe I'm just too bored while playing 1c/2c because it's only 2c...
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:29 PM   #6225
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I'm just saying that a 2 dollar buy in game is meaningless and a waste of time and I'd put the bottom end of like worthwhile stakes at 25 nl for somebody playing 1/2

might not be expressing what I'm trying to say right
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