This conversation happens every time wj94 posts his results.

^This!

No kidding...

The guy obviously just wants to hear people tell him how great he is.

The gall, to post winrates in the winrates thread.

Gwft?G

Whew! GG gettin aggro!

Next thing we know GG is 5! bluffing the young guns

Ava's subtle brag that he plays in games where chipstacks are big enough to 5bet.

GsuperdeepmicrostakesliveG?

Awesome job, thanks for the graph.

You seemed to hit a ~2 month break even stretch from 6/16 to 8/16.

How did you react to this mentally? How much doubt/frustration crept in?
Did you feel this was variance or playbad?
Did you make any changes to your game when that stretch hit?

I try to look at things from month-to-month and in each of those months I won about $2k. That stretch from 6/16 to 8/16 is more break-even because of a few bad days at deep stack 1/3, a few at 2/5, and one at 5/10. Seemed like a lot of bad beats/variance (get in nut flush vs set at 5/10, V rivers a boat, etc), but also does make you question your play. I had a lot of days off those few months because I was dealing with buying a house, renovations, and a family funeral which I had to go out of town for twice. Just have to keep with it and play your game, it all works out in the end if you're good.

I have been keeping track of my Bovada SNG results manually on a spreadsheet for a while (3-4k games, 10-13% ROI for $5 & $10), but I recently got the AcePokerSolutions converter and the most recent 700 games I've been importing into PokerTracker. I knew that weekends would be better than weekdays, but the extent so far is shocking...I was expecting about 7-8% weekdays 15-20% weekends, but it's actually 2.5% weekdays (500 games) and 27% weekends (200 games)...somewhat of a small sample so far...I am trying to figure out if others have the same results, and if so, I'm not even sure I'm going to bother to get a larger sample, it appears I'm nearly wasting my time on weekdays!! What do you all think?

- Tony

I'm trying to compare win rates with other live short stacker's, but I'm having trouble finding any since 2+2ers seem to generally despise them and refuse to play the SS. Anyone care to share?

Also:
- yes, I know short stacks are cowards.
-yes, I know I could win more playing deep.

I used to play 50bb at Oaks because that was the max bi at the time. I've also played 50bb at Lucky Chances for a couple months a yr ago. I won about $12-14/hr

Makes more sense if you put either dollar or BB in the same comparison.

1/1/2 blinds, about 500 hrs

I think 1/10 of BI/hr is actually a pretty good bottom.

So for example, if you buy in 40bb, top of your range is probably 4bb/hr.

Obamacare, breh.

bro, short stacks are cowards

Why do you say that? Always seemed to me that deliberately playing a short stack strategy was simply a different view on playing poker. Not cowardice at all, simply another way to play the game. Much like playing tight is a different way from playing loose.

I've always found it interesting that those who despise short stack play do so, in part, because they find it hard to play against. It must, it seems to me, therefore have some legitimacy as a legitimate strategy.

Lee

To me, the "good short stacker" is like a unicorn, dragon, or leprechaun... some mythical creature of legend in which someone always claims to have seen one but can never provide proof.

I play 5 days a week in 3 different casinos, and there are no regular short stackers in any of my games that do well. Obviously I don't have any hard stats and can only give anecdotal observation, but I just don't see any short stackers that routinely buy in short and leave 2, 3, 4, BI's up.

but I see the opposite daily. I see people buy into my games for the minimum and they bust out a very high percentage of the time within a hour. They reload several times and I can't help but wonder why they just didn't take those 3-4 reloads and buy in full...

The problem with short stacking is simple. YOU NEED TO GET STRONG VALUE HANDS.

And therein lies the rub. If you buy-in full, you have more ways to win. You can bluff, semi-bluff, float, have proper odds to set mine and draw and then when you hit you can get PAID OFF.

Conversely, short stackers have fewer ways to win: they need hands that hold up at showdown and/or are strong enough to shove all-in... Not to mention when they finally do get a hand their hands are face up as JJ+, AK and good luck getting action all the time...

So sorry, I just don't have much love for short stack play. And I've tried it several times when my roll was on life support. My results and winrate when I buy in short are horrible compared to when I buy-in full.

why? If you are crushing a game and its guaranteed money, why move up if you are happy with your results?

there will be plenty of time to move up when he is good and ready... Its not a race...

To be clear, my rule is 10% and I have a "special circumstances" exemption for super juicy tables and in that event THEN it moves to 20%...

So if you look at all my posts on this subject, I always say....

"... when 10% of our roll is on the table we should cash out, but if we are at a super juicy table then we can up it to 20%...."

or something to that effect

From what I've seen with the 20bb shortstackers at 1/2.

1. They don't know that they are playing a short stack strategy. They are playing like they have 100bb stacks. Straddling, calling 6bb raises with inappropriate hands to "see a flop", callling and being passive with their made hands when they are less than a pot size bet away from all in, etc.

2. Or they actually play an OK shortstack strategy, as far as pf ranges, but once they get to 50-100 bbs, they completely fall apart. They keep playing the same exact way, and end up going broke with tptk type stuff.

From my experience, short stackers are tourists who don't really know anything about playing deep. For them it's like plopping $100 on a blackjack table but with poker your $100 lasts a little longer than at BJ/Craps/Routlette etc. This is from a east coast perspective of course.

Just this weekend, in Atlantic City playing 1/2 - max buy in $500, there were 2 -3 players who bought in for $100. Sucks because when you get a big hand you don't maximize your profits against these guys (as they will pay you off a lot).

If you play live in Los Angeles, you'll HAVE to learn short stacking - nearly all the NL games are capped at 33 to 50 bb buy ins.

There are a few, such as the 2/3NL and above at The Bike, where you can buy in for 100 bb - but the best action and table selection is at commerce where buy ins are generally 50 bb. (And actually at the 2/3 and 3/5, the initial buy in is 100 and 200 respectively - but once you get felted, you can re buy up to 150 or 300 respectively).


Edit: the general strategy is look to get your stack to over 100 bb as soon as practical, then run over the table....

On the other hand, they will pay you off a lot , it just doesn't happen all at once. The repeated-50bb-buyin seems to correlate pretty strongly with show-down-with-any-random-pair.

A local casino in my area has pokertek(electronic tables) tables for 1-2 with a 300max buyin..

Over my first 100 hours Ive averaged 40/hr

Is this sustainable?

Ive been at a bit of a breakeven stretch at 2/5 for a while, and I'm looking to buy a car in the next month or two from poker / real-job funds. I'm just going to play weak games I see at 1/2 or 2/5.