It was a pleasure meeting you. Many of the better players from Dallas moved to Florida a few years back. Best of luck to you there!

I met/lived with him in Dallas too; I can confirm that he's not a troll most of the time

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Originally Posted by snowman View Post
I've lost 5 buy-ins in less than 20 minutes playing AA AA KK AA QQ

came back to a small win compared to chips in play

$1-2 game with $300 max buy-in
floor texted me over 10k on the table and held me a seat as I live 10 min away.

when the game broke there was close to 16k on the table
2 whales blind shoving pre or betting $140 pre every hand and a station calling pre and then with any piece of the flop right to the river.
not a game for the timid

to GG's point
I now leave at my usual time no matter how good the game and no matter if Im ahead or behind. In my younger days would stay but got over that stigma.

variance is a part of life on and off the felt

Sounds like an extremely -ev poker rule, but if +ev for your life then life>>>>poker.

My fave quote from this forum is buried in this thread somewhere: it's Ava's "But I'm still here" quote. It was in reference to his game quitting techniques, which in a vacuum looked -EV in the moment compared to the techniques that all the young buck pros in his game were using. But in the end, thanks to all his little "-EV in-the-moment" rules, he managed to outlast all his opponents over the very long term. Computers will obviously thrive going full steam ahead all the time; humans, not so much. It's a long haul game.

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Won't say it's a terrible approach, but strong mental game is a skill too, and one that can and should be improved for any who plan on playing for a living. It's better to improve your weaknesses than make sacrifices elsewhere to cover them up. If you are a pro and quitting when you lose a few buyins because you know you're prone to tilt without recognizing it, that's great, keep doing that, but also get your ass working on fixing it because it's a problem.

IMO, the biggest reason it feels terrible to lose a few stacks live is because it's so slow paced and hard to see the long run. It may have taken awhile to win that money, and may take awhile to win it back.

I recommend playing online. It's easier to be confident in your game when you've beaten online over a significant sample, when live games are much easier, and you can actually start to see the long run in just a couple weeks. You end up being desensitized to losing after being stacked hundreds, eventually thousands of times. It becomes normal and expected to lose with set over set, flush vs. full house, KK vs. AA, etc. In live poker it can take so long to get those hands that you feel entitled to win with them, so losing hurts more.

I'd also recommend getting more aggressive and bluffing more. For me, I started feeling less pain getting stacked when I had enough confidence in my game to throw in a river x/r all in and being ok knowing I could get snapped by the nuts. You really can't bluff (or thin value bet, for that matter) effectively without being aware of and accepting that the consequences could be negative 60% of the time. You'll also get better at poker by trying to expand your game and find more profitable spots.

But this is all in the context of a pro who wants to get better, not necessarily a rec who just wants to play a few times a month, have a good time and maybe make a little money.

What is proper bankroll for 1/3 at 100bb buy in? Just really started playing live poker this year . After 68 hours of play in the red 990. Last 2 sessions lost 300 each queens ran into aces pf then turning the nuts only for flush to hit on river. At end of day I know it’s a small sample size. Just don’t think I am losing player at the end of that day . Any advice for swings/variance like this?

My pocket bankroll is $500 and I buy-in for $200. While I can easily get more from the ATM, I seldom need to.

As to the QQ hand. Post it. Frankly, depending on the player, it's not that hard to fold.

Utg+2 makes it 13 , 3 callers im on cutoff look down at qq I make it 45. +2 jams for 280 . Player not at table very long did see him get sticky once

Format it a little more and post it in the LLSNL. Let everyone see it.

Until you can actually demonstrate you are a winner, you should be looking at a budget, not a bankroll.

You seem inexperienced if you're concerned about a 2 buy in downswing. It's possible for even the very best players to have 15+ buy in downswings. Even if you're winning, if you only have a small win-rate your downswings can be much more severe.

Not sure I have advice except you'd better get used to dropping a buyin two sessions in a row. Much worse can and will happen.

You'd be best to assume you are a losing player and work to improve your game.

Losing 2 pots totaling $600 at 1/3 is not a significant amount whatsoever. The fact that you felt compelled to post that shows that you have bankroll issues (or mental game issues related to bankroll).

Well, I was trying to be gentler, but yes.

What I really was getting at was what it proper bankroll for 1/3? I get 600 is little for 1/3 . More or less I was just trying to see how many buy ins of 300 should I have for a proper roll

$600 is fine, I usually don't go over $200. You can use a shorter stack to your advantage.

Seriously though, post the QQ hand where everyone can see it.

You should decide how much money your willing to lose and put that towards poker. This goes for both winning players and losing players. There's no point in keeping a $10k bankroll if you're not actually willing to risk losing it all.

How much you need to keep a low risk of busting your roll depends on you. If you're losing obviously you're 100% to go broke in the long run if you play enough, no matter how many buy-ins you set aside for poker. To a small winner I'd probably recommend 30/$9000. That is if outside money never gets added.

This isn't a bankroll, this is a session budget.

Well, I always thought of it as a "pocket bankroll".

Do you have a full time job with a decent income that allows you to cover all your bills/expenses/etc. that leaves you with decent play money that you can set on fire if you wish playing poker? If so, you don't really need a BR per se, and you can just play knowing that you can comfortably replenish your roll at any time.

Any more than that really depends on your exact situation. I'm guessing lottsa good winning players have gone on stretches where they've lost ~10 BIs or more. So there's a starting point at what can possibly happen to a good winning player, so plan accordingly for your situation.

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What do you think would be an appropriate bankroll for 2/5 1000 max? 50k?

for someone with NO OTHER INCOME? 100k if hes buying in $1000 max. $20k if he buys in for the $200 min. 100 buyins, always.


this is why i min buyin $100 in the $1-2 PLO. it doesnt keep me from still being able to average 1k a week in profit for 50k a year. Probably more than that now that im in florida, i know im making about 1.5k a week since coming here.

If you buy in short at 1/3 ($100-$150) and stick to a good ss strat, $5,000 is enough.

Assuming this is your job, 10-15k min. Anything less, think about moving down or buying in short.

If you have a job that pays your bills, 200 min

Part of what I was trying to say is that it is different for each individual based on their skill, style of play, games they play in and life circumstances. There really isn't one answer.

I'll say though that 50 buyin downswings don't happen to good players live, even if you're taking money out for expenses. These games aren't that hard. I think a professional with reasonable living expenses and a good work ethic would have a really hard time busting $20k. Even $10k would likely be fine if you have a fallback plan in case you bust. But there's a huge range between professional and barely winning weekend warrior. A marginal winner might want $50k or more.