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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I dont buy the "how you run" argument. Not when we are talking about long term. But then I dont play in games where people dust off $5K. And people say I play in soft games in S. Florida? LOL
In 6000 hours Ive never played a 2/5 hand with a pot over $2500. Ive probably only played 3 pots over about $1800.
I assume you're playing 100bb max? And pretty nitty? Cause an $1800 pot is just KK vs AA happening pre with 200bb stacks and happens not infrequently.
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I find it pretty hilarious that people think my games are soft and then I hear talk of $5000 pots and 5 sessions that account for 1/4 of a win rate.
A few days ago a guy opened 66 and ended up folding the turn to me on a J962 board when I made a huge turn check raise. We started the hand $1800 deep. Guys in my games aren't playing massive pots unless they have the nuts. Again, I dont know where you guys find guys dumping that kind of money but I guess if that's the case, then what I said isn't true. I sure dont see that kind of insanity here in S. Florida (or anywhere else Ive ever played) though and if you see that kind of craziness often enough, your win rate should be sky high and be able to absorb 1 or 2 suck outs in huge pots because you're making much more in the pots you win.
This sounds absurdly, incredibly soft. Someone is folding a set on a board with that many draws versus you, you clearly don't bluff enough (or you're crushing the game by bluffing a lot and people just never adjust). Soft doesn't just mean never folds; over folding is hugely exploitable.
On average, the game I play in is 7 nits, one loose player, and myself, and the average pot is $40. But some days it is 4 loose players, 3 nits, and myself and I get to blow up pots again and again and steal some and win some and the nits just fold and get out of the way, and the average pot size is $150, and sometimes much larger.
It may be me; I both play very loose and aggressive, and I'm a woman, and I show my bluffs, and men don't like getting bluffed. I've played 2k pots where I had a 6 high gutshot versus the nut straight, and I've played 2k pots where I called an all in with AQ versus someone's TT who got sick of my threebetting and four betting. If you aren't playing many 2k pots, and you're at a table where most people have $1000 stacks, you aren't bluffing enough.
To go directly to winrate chat: most people don't see how much variance there is in this game cause there aren't enough hours and the game moves too slow, and winrate is highly dependent on who is in the game when you sit down. I played with a guy who was raising to $100-$200 blind every hand for two hours; I won $3000, and my friend who is at least as good as me lost $7000 in those two hours. If we could sit with that guy for years we would be millionaires, but instead we only got those couple hours, and only cause we happened to be at the casino on Saturday at 9am the one time a year he shows up. I got a nice boost to my yearly winnings and my buddy got a big drop in his yearly, and it's about as random as hitting a minor BBJ.
EDIT: I want to be clear - I don't hate you at all MikeStarr. I find your posts entertaining and informative at times. I would also guess if you asked traveling pros where had the easier games - South Florida, or the Philly/AC area, they would say South Florida. I have no idea, cause I just play here, and the games seem plenty soft to me