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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
I mean anyone here had like a 10k profit for a day at 2/5? I assume 2/5 players expect to have losing days of up to 1500 as normal and up to say 2500 profit?
In typical 2/5 games, 10k days are so rare they don't warrant discussion. I do know a player that regularly builds $5k+ stacks in a $500 cap game. However, will often plays 2 days straight with no sleep to do it and he is a very experienced player (full time pro for over a decade).
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
I mean when i think of a live pro cash game player, i always picture them playing at least 2/5... so 5/10 and say 10/20nl and up.
Your perception is wrong. There are many Vegas pros grinding 1/2 and 1/3 and there are many more wannabe pros grinding all the low stakes levels. I think it is a bit misleading to say that if one doesn't make $x/yr they are terrible. The fact is that the vast majority of players that try to become Vegas pros fail, and a large percentage of those that actually succeed are just scraping by. That's not to say there aren't successful pros who make good money at the table and are wise with it off the table. Squid is an example of such a player, but he is by far the exception rather than the rule.
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
But if there are this few 5/10nl game that goes, wouldn't that mean very few 5/10nl+ pros? I mean when i check bravo app and look at borgata for example, they dont have any 5/10 during the week.. only 2/5. East coast rooms like mgm etc... i think you might get at most 2 games of 5/10nl only during the week? If thats the case, wouldn't that mean lot of very good pros just grind 2/5 instead? Thus making it worst for average/breakeven players playing 2/5 ?
Sure, but one could also structure his/her schedule to coincide with when the big games run. For instance, I knew a very good 5/T pro that would play 35hrs/week but he would put all of his hours in on Thursday/Friday/Saturday because he had no interest in playing lower than 5/T.
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
5. Are there any full time 1/3 or 2/5 regs that only play 1/3 or 2/5 and never moved up in stakes? Because what they made was okay for them and game was good where they make enough and don't have plans to move up? I can imagine a 2/5 player playing some 5/10 and getting outmatched and going to play their regular 2/5 game. But are there any very good 1/3 players that can't profit at 2/5?
Ego is one of the biggest things that drives players to play higher and it's one of the biggest things that prevents that from dropping down when it's in their best interest to do so. There are definitely 5/T grinders with lower hourlies than 2/5 grinders.
I feel like most grinders have probably taken a shot at a higher level at one point or another but shot taking takes a significant amount of risk and it's not going to be worth it for everybody. Also, you have to consider bankroll. A lot of players simply don't ever have the bankroll necessary to move up.
1/3 is much more similar to 2/5 than 2/5 is to 5/T. Still, 1/3 games will tend to be softer which means certain players that do well at 1/3 will not do as well at 2/5.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Second of all, the fact still remains that if a full time 2/5 player cant make more than $28/hr he's not very skilled and if he makes a lot more than $28/hr but doesn't play very much hes lazy.
A lot of people choose poker as a career because they are lazy. On top of that, poker gives players a lot of incentive to be lazy because the grind can be very monotonous and also the game loves to just kick you right in the balls whenever it feels like it.