That's kinda my point, and why I don't have a lot of respect for low-stakes "feel player" crushers with a big ego. Come out of the kiddy pool and see how well you do buddy!

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Trying to prove something to a friend... Calling ALL LLSNL PROS OR WINNERS

Full ring 9-10 handed game 1/2 or 2/5,

Do we open KQo/AJo/67s from first position?

In all modesty I'm a 9 in both departments. Maybe an 8. Or a 7. Maybe a 6. Or a 5. So hard to say with arbitrary scales lol but I feel like I'm quite good in both areas. I agree at the table sophisticated math is not that useful most of the time but it does help a lot in analysis and quickly correcting my play.

And I make $96 an hour now which is totally 100% sustainable and I won't hear any negative nancies telling me otherwise.

No

KQo/AJo no. 76s is situational. Can be opened on passive tables especially with a fish in the blinds. Is definitely a fold on a tough table.

My normal style of play is LAG/Maniac and I only open 67s from UTG and that would be very questionable in a lot of lineups.

As in you open 67s but not AJo or KQo?

No. No exceptions.

Yes, I mean out of those 3 hands I'm only opening 67s from UTG.

Lately Ive been keeping track of profit/loss of all hands that I play from EP that alot of people would say I should fold. I dont even include KQ/AJ because I open them most of the time.

Maybe I should add them to my tracked EP hands? Or maybe this forum is nitty as hell?

You fold KQ/AJ in first 2 positions most of the time?

I havent played that high so Im not going to argue this point, but it sure doesnt sound right to me. From what Ive seen of those games and from what has been described to me, there's a hell of a lot more meta game type raising and reraising reg vs reg type hands where math has little to do with it and people are soul reading each other.

Maybe Im totally off base.

Why don't you tell me more about what you don't know but will pretend to know about!

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Why dont you do something outside of character for this forum and respond without being a smart ass.

Nah, It's way more fun to observe people try to argue things they have zero clue about.

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Let me ask all of you this....in regards to this discussion, do you consider this math based or feel/read based?

Cutoff opens to $20. Button calls. I call with Jh9h BB.
Flop ($60) Th8c4s. I check. Cutoff bets $35. Button folds.

Now Ive played with this guy before. Hes an older guy who plays more like people used to back in the day which includes betting full pot when they have a real hand. He would likely bet $50-$60 with an overpair or AQ. I think he has AK because his raising range is pretty tight.

I check raise to $110 based on my read and my bet sizing tell. I could just check/call given the odds he gave me (the math part), but I prefer to be aggressive when I think I can take it away from him in this spot.

We can calculate the odds I gave him to call and continue if my read is correct that he has overcards. He may or may not call with overcards thinking Im making a move and that he can take it away on the turn even if he doesnt hit.

So is this hand being played based on math or based on reads/feel?

Math is math. It’s like gravity. You can’t not be using it. There are some people who may not understand the foundation of why they are doing something (a “feel” player seeing weakness and raising river), but there is still math behind what they are doing (exploitatively overraising your range vs. an exploitable capped range).

I don’t need to know how buoyancy works to take my kayak out, or how lift works to hang glide with squid. But physics and simple math is behind both, and understanding what’s happening will only improve you as a human being.

I don’t even calculate pot odds anymore fwiw.

Go back and read my post. I specifically said I havent played that high so Im not going to argue this point

And yet you still turn it into an argument by giving a smart ass response instead of just giving a mature response like you probably would if we were talking in person.

This is my point. When I semi bluff check raise the flop sensing weakness, Im still using math because I have to calculate the percentage of times I think he will fold combined with the percentage of times I will actually spike the turn and how much money I will make when I hit the turn compared to how much I lose when I miss or bluff off more money later in the hand.

So when people say I dont understand math, or that people successfully playing high stakes understand math better than others, we are really talking about a lot of the same things.

Sure the math guys can tell you the exact pot odds I gave villain on the flop quickly, but I dont think you need to be that precise with the math to succeed, as long as you have a general idea of the concepts. My argument is that the guy who has the best reads and know when to check raise that flop and gets away with it a much higher percentage of the time based on correctly reading villains weakness will do better than the guy who only calls the flop bet because he knows precisely his pot odds.

If a person was clairvoyant and knew villains precise cards he would crush a guy who could do complex math instantly but who's reads where average and he had to play vs a much wider range.

Obviously nobody can see their opponents cards but if you can narrow them down to 2 combos instead of 20 combos, the math gets much easier even for a math donk.

This is not a HH-type strat thread. tMeale, take your question elsewhere please, and the math vs.(why does it have to be vs?) feel discussion is getting further and further from being on topic as well.

Good post

Basically covers it


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Thnx to those who responded < 3

My 1/2 WR after 48 sessions. Going to move to 2/5 when I get to 10 100bb buy ins. Hopefully it's not a much harder game.

Thx much FW!

Nice, Randroid. Not a large sample, but very nice.