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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

06-01-2018 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Oh, I'd love to see everyone's 600hr sample size too, so feel free.

Giraffes away! Put me in my place! This should be awesome! I'll finally have to eat crow!

GnotholdingmybreathG
People repeatedly put you in your place all the time lol. You just continue to spew off the same **** over and over regardless. Mods, can GG please get banned from this thread? The constant trolling and derails he creates actually ruin this thread.
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06-01-2018 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Yes it would, which is why it would be interesting to see results for individual hands at a live table. Such data is hard to come by. I remember playing online I could analyze how I'm doing with specific hands in each position after just months of play. But live...so much guesswork because building live databases is ridiculously slow and tedious.

Some of the hands you have in this range might be quite profitable, while others not at all. I'm not sure what tracking such a disparate range accomplishes...KTo plays very different from 76s as I'm sure you know. Just an idea, but if you separated the hands into groups you could get reasonably accurate results with much less time invested than tracking individual hands. For instance, group A: Suited Broadway, group B: Offsuit Broadway, group C: AXs (X<10), group D: SCs

I would track this myself but I don't want to start limp/calling all these hands for experimentation's sake at this point.
I'm not doing it as an experiment. I already believe I can play these hands profitably. I'm tracking to make sure I'm not delusional.

I think 98s UTG is probably more profitable than KT UTG. You can probably win more hands with KT but I think you can win more money with 98s. Im not saying either is hugely profitable UTG but I do think that the more hands you can play without losing money, the more money you can make on your actual good solid playable hands.

I track other things for similar reasons. I track all lite 3 bets. Can I win without ever 3 betting lite? Of course, but if I can at least break even with any non premium 3 betting type hands, then I am being seen 3 betting more often and I get more people calling my 3 bets with weaker hands and get more action with my premiums.

Ive been tracking this for about 700 hours now. My lite 3 bets have been called 41% of the time. In the 59% of the time that they fold I make an avg of 7 BBs per hand. In the 41% that they call Ive lost an avg of 0.9 BBs per hand. In total, my lite 3 bets show an avg profit of 4.1BBs/hand. So far, Im picking the right spots and doing well with this on top of it getting me more action with my actual premium 3 betting hands than I would get otherwise.

If I didnt track this stuff Id be guessing whether or not 3 betting lite was of any use at all.
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06-01-2018 , 09:27 PM
Idk if it’s been mentioned, but if raising 15 goes 5 way all the time, then that’s a super soft game you should be making a lot of money in.
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06-01-2018 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
If I didnt track this stuff Id be guessing whether or not 3 betting lite was of any use at all.
Or you could rely on range analysis, theory and mathematics. Not as if you're in uncharted territory making light 3-bets.

By all means keep up whatever you're doing. It's clearly working for you.
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06-01-2018 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PixieRust
Idk if it’s been mentioned, but if raising 15 goes 5 way all the time, then that’s a super soft game you should be making a lot of money in.
GGs posts describe these weird games where everyone else calls preflop with ATC for any price, but then always flop the nuts, so if you flop the 2nd nuts and face pressure you should just fold.

When I raise $15 and get 5 callers I know I'm right in the game I want to be in. In these games I try to make every pot I play a big one. TPTK can still be a good hand in a 6 way pot if you know what you're doing.
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06-01-2018 , 11:18 PM
Reraising light gives you image to get paid off too, even if it's neutral in a vacuum. It can be huge if it just means you get paid once in a 300bb pot every few sessions.
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06-01-2018 , 11:27 PM
Right on. Given an ev neutral choice between calling or raising I will take the higher variance raise every time. While you can still win as a nit at LLSNL, it seems more profitable and more fun to LAG it up.
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06-02-2018 , 12:07 AM
gg if you really are in that area of Canada, I looked up poker atlas on a Friday night and....my word that's depressing. do any of your rooms link to Bravo?
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06-02-2018 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
Right on. Given an ev neutral choice between calling or raising I will take the higher variance raise every time. While you can still win as a nit at LLSNL, it seems more profitable and more fun to LAG it up.
That's why I play showdowns before or after a game. *Literally* 0EV coinflips that help my image? SOLD!
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06-02-2018 , 09:32 AM
Hi all,

Would love some honest feedback here please on my stats

Can you guys help me assess this?

My Big bet/ hour is 4.33???

My BB/hr standard deviation is 37.55

My $/hr standard deviation is 101.16

What does this all mean and is mine good or normal?

Also thoughts on this?

At 1/3 and 1/2 I have played 474.5 hours and I am winning 7.75 per hour

I know my sample size is small but thoughts overall?

Total winnings=3676

This is over the last year and a half

Thoughts overall?

Thank you guys so much
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06-02-2018 , 10:15 AM
Richard,

You are winning overall, so that is good and pretty rare.

What tracker are you using? Few NL trackers give winnings in Big Bet/hr anymore. Most are Big Blind/hr. If you are winning $7.75/hr, you are winning about 3.8BBs/hr at 1/2 and 2.6 at 1/3. I don't see any way that adds up to 4.33, as that is higher than either of them, so I'm suspicious of your tracker's accuracy.

Assuming the SDev is accurate, you are playing a very low variance, likely very passive, style. To get that low, you probably aren't betting draws, making c-bets, betting rivers for thin value, etc. Most winning players have much higher SDev, in the 75-100BB/hr range. There are a few of us ITT down around 50BB/hr, but that's pretty rare. Yours is very low for a winning player. It seems likely that you could improve your winrate by playing a bit more aggressively, though I would add aggressive options to your game one at a time, rather than all at once.
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06-02-2018 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Richard,

You are winning overall, so that is good and pretty rare.

What tracker are you using? Few NL trackers give winnings in Big Bet/hr anymore. Most are Big Blind/hr. If you are winning $7.75/hr, you are winning about 3.8BBs/hr at 1/2 and 2.6 at 1/3. I don't see any way that adds up to 4.33, as that is higher than either of them, so I'm suspicious of your tracker's accuracy.

Assuming the SDev is accurate, you are playing a very low variance, likely very passive, style. To get that low, you probably aren't betting draws, making c-bets, betting rivers for thin value, etc. Most winning players have much higher SDev, in the 75-100BB/hr range. There are a few of us ITT down around 50BB/hr, but that's pretty rare. Yours is very low for a winning player. It seems likely that you could improve your winrate by playing a bit more aggressively, though I would add aggressive options to your game one at a time, rather than all at once.

Hi Garrick!

Thank you so much for the response!

I use poker income pro

Your advice is much appreciated!

How do I interpret the standard deviation stuff? Can you explain more?

I totally agree I play too passively for sure so ur analysis is spot on
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06-02-2018 , 11:13 AM
So Standard Deviation is just the standard variance between your observed overall winrate and your likely hour-to-hour results. Very rarely will you have an hour that is exactly $7.75+. Instead, you'll have hours that vary usually within a range of (in your case) losing $93.41 to winning $108.91, with the average coming out to +$7.75.

That seems like a lot, but most winning players have even greater hourly variance. No-Limit is a swingy game.
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06-02-2018 , 01:35 PM
Great explanation of SD, Garick. May I ask, what are some of the best poker results tracking apps available? Are most ITT using Poker Income or are there better ones? Thank you.
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06-02-2018 , 02:44 PM
Richard, could you post a screen shot of your results, so we can better interpret?
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06-02-2018 , 04:27 PM
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Great explanation of SD, Garick. May I ask, what are some of the best poker results tracking apps available? Are most ITT using Poker Income or are there better ones? Thank you.
I downloaded "Poker Bankroll Tracker" bc i heard it was the best. Is Poker Income better?
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06-02-2018 , 04:30 PM
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06-02-2018 , 04:31 PM
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06-02-2018 , 04:32 PM
Garick, what do you think of my graph?
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06-02-2018 , 04:46 PM
Nice heater from about session 60-80! Can you post the report filtered by game? I'm trying to figure out the discrepancy between the BB/hr and the $/hr it is reporting. Did you have a few sessions of 2/5 that went poorly, or something?
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06-02-2018 , 04:51 PM
It was the best heater ever haha went to Vegas by myself for the first time and won like 16 sessions in a row there. I didn’t lose once in Vegas haha.

Sure give me a little bit of time
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06-02-2018 , 04:52 PM
Wait what exactly do u want me to post?

I never played any 2/5 only 1/2 and 1/3
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06-02-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Me2theEV
I downloaded "Poker Bankroll Tracker" bc i heard it was the best. Is Poker Income better?
Poker income is unsupported ....avoid
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06-02-2018 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard32
Wait what exactly do u want me to post?

I never played any 2/5 only 1/2 and 1/3
Weird. Please post the results filtered by game, one pic for each blind-level you have recorded.
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06-02-2018 , 05:05 PM
Okay Garick I think I figured it out.

I had a few 0.10/0.25 session in there which I played just for fun.

Here are the pics tho filtered
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