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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

06-05-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
There is certainly something to what D.C. Is saying imo. It's part of why there is a pool of losing regs.

But to deny that significant stretches of negative variance exist is naive.

I mean a guy who has ****ty results for a significant stretch and claims he's now worked hard, has it all figured out and is seeing good results might be bull****ting himself up every bit as much as the guy who you point to that was a winner and is now in the abyss.

By definition the outliers can't realize the long run very easily. Are their more people claiming to be outliers than statistically should exist? Maybe.

I recall Limon saying he had a break even year about every 5 years when he looked at his long term results. I'm assuming he didn't totally suck but if you shuffle the deck and put that first break even year 3 months into his pro career or so that would be pretty ugly? Caro wrote about it. We may have never heard of the guy who would become the greatest poker player ever because he ran horrifically bad at the beginning of his career.

Obv I want bad players who are losing in my player pool to think they are unlucky. I also want bad players who are sun running to think they are awesome. But outside my player pool, unless I personally know and care about someone I really have no reason to discuss the subject... but it took me writing this to figure that out




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Limon is pretty terrible no?
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06-05-2017 , 08:22 PM
Limon is a long time pro that can't post to defend himself here. He mostly plays Omaha these days. Really, without understanding the full context of his past statements, discussing it is pretty pointless.
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06-05-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
Limon is pretty terrible no?


No idea tbh. I thought he was a "successful" live pro in cali for a long time so I assumed he was at least ok. Admittedly the few times I saw him on latb he seemed like a weak tight nit including his big PLO pot with Harry but wtfdik???




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06-05-2017 , 10:34 PM
Whenever I hear him speak strategy on latb, and I'm speaking about Holdem because I've not seen him speak much about PLO, it sounds as though he's not thinking very deeply about spots at all. I actually took him to be a recreational who seems very involved in the game - because nothing about him speaking about strat lead me to believe he was anywhere near pro level. Garnering this from a few latb YouTube vids on which he's commentated...
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06-05-2017 , 10:36 PM
Talking about win rates =
Talking about other people win rates for which we do not know is meh at best.
Talking about other people being not good is unacceptable regardless of veracity.
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06-05-2017 , 11:55 PM
Curious as to what people think a good reg would make playing 30 hours/ wk at Commerce 3/5 NL (200 buyin, 300 rebuy) at Commerce? I dunno what people consider bb played/ hr so would be interested in hearing what is common thought there too
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06-06-2017 , 12:26 AM
Anyone think 10BB/ hr is sustainable?
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06-06-2017 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Limon is a long time pro that can't post to defend himself here. He mostly plays Omaha these days. Really, without understanding the full context of his past statements, discussing it is pretty pointless.
I don't think he's played applicable stakes for 15 years or so.
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06-06-2017 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkroach
Curious as to what people think a good reg would make playing 30 hours/ wk at Commerce 3/5 NL (200 buyin, 300 rebuy) at Commerce? I dunno what people consider bb played/ hr so would be interested in hearing what is common thought there too
Questions like this are so hard to answer. Everyone's opinion of a "good reg" is so different. $50/hour would seem like the high end for one of the better players in the room, especially with the $200 buy-in plan. You really can't protect your hand with 40 bb in a big action game (but of course, that's more a strategy question than a win-rate question).
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06-06-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
Alright, time to re-rail this train.

I was digging into my results a little bit the other week, and now finally got around to finishing and posting some figures now that May is in the books.

First off, the overall winrate data:
Nice results, looks like things have really picked up for you the last ~1500 hours? Do you attribute that to anything, or just variance?

GthanksforpostingG
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06-06-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
Caro wrote about it. We may have never heard of the guy who would become the greatest poker player ever because he ran horrifically bad at the beginning of his career.
I started off at live casino poker playing 2/4 Limit, going 12-29 for -$1200 in my first 41 sessions. Not exactly sure where my breaking point would have been to give it up completely, but I'm guessing I was pretty close (maybe -$2K?).

GtherebutforthegraceofthedevilgoIG
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06-06-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Nice results, looks like things have really picked up for you the last ~1500 hours? Do you attribute that to anything, or just variance?

GthanksforpostingG
Well, I have been trying to improve in general over the whole time.

It's hard to do the conversion between real dates and hours here, but I defended my dissertation around the 2500 hour mark. As I got more removed from that I realized just how much that kind of stress and life issues can tilt you, even if you don't notice it at the table.

I've also started playing in smaller pools with more home games, and that lets you really profile opponents and build images against them.
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06-06-2017 , 04:41 PM
If you play those 30 hours strictly on the weekend your winrate is going to be a lot higher. The $200 is the smallest game in LA with a beatable structure for money that will actually help you build up a roll. Your plan should be to win until you can take shots at any of the bigger games at comm bike the gardens or Hollywood park not to grind this game for the long term.

Basically in that game you should only play when many tables are running and it's super easy to bumhunt because the structure caps your winrate otherwise unless you have people dumping at your table. If the dealer isn't shouting chips every down it's a bad table.
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06-06-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I started off at live casino poker playing 2/4 Limit, going 12-29 for -$1200 in my first 41 sessions. Not exactly sure where my breaking point would have been to give it up completely, but I'm guessing I was pretty close (maybe -$2K?).



GtherebutforthegraceofthedevilgoIG


I once heard a priest giving a talk about his battle with various "demons". He said in spite of his various vices he didn't smoke pot but he tried it twice. First time he got an erection second time he got a terrible headache. Had it been the other way around he might still be smoking pot.



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06-06-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
I once heard a priest giving a talk about his battle with various "demons". He said in spite of his various vices he didn't smoke pot but he tried it twice. First time he got an erection second time he got a terrible headache. Had it been the other way around he might still be smoking pot.



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Yes but priests also believe in pretend stories


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06-06-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Yes but priests also believe in pretend stories


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Brilliant.
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06-06-2017 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Goud21
You really can't protect your hand.
This phrase tilts me.

To put in thread context, I don't think it is possible to achieve a top win rate if "protect your hand" is a regular part of a person's vocabulary.






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06-06-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Shrug. We must play in very different games. I lost 700bb in 4 hands yesterday in under 45 minutes. Obv lol variance, I got it in >70% to win all 4, but people must just stack off lighter here.


I need both hands and both feet to count the number of times I've bought in for min 600bb into a game. Some of the games are uncapped and some are 200bb but I rarely buy in for more than 200bb at uncapped anyway.

I've had sessions bigger won and lost in bb than what sounds like lost players downswings itt.




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06-06-2017 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Yeah, and that great pearl of wisdom helped convince his good buddy Trooper that he was just running bad when he lost $8k+ over a 15 month period playing 1/2.


Life's tough when you only hit the BBJ once


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06-06-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
If you play those 30 hours strictly on the weekend your winrate is going to be a lot higher. The $200 is the smallest game in LA with a beatable structure for money that will actually help you build up a roll. Your plan should be to win until you can take shots at any of the bigger games at comm bike the gardens or Hollywood park not to grind this game for the long term.

Basically in that game you should only play when many tables are running and it's super easy to bumhunt because the structure caps your winrate otherwise unless you have people dumping at your table. If the dealer isn't shouting chips every down it's a bad table.
Yeh my game is best suited for playing against the wknd warriors. I'm going to try and be more particular about table selection. I'm probably missing out by just planting myself. I think part of it is after about a hour ow two I am sometimes reluctant to leave bc I've spent a lot of time figuring people out but that's probably less useful than a few guys spewing their chips.

Out of commerce, gardens, or HP which place you like the best?

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06-06-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
You think guys like Matt Berkey and Gman are just sunrunners that caught the good end of variance in live poker? GTFO of here with that bull****. Those guys busted their ass hard to get where to where they are at. Way harder than you or me.
Very kind words, ty.
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06-07-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
This phrase tilts me.

To put in thread context, I don't think it is possible to achieve a top win rate if "protect your hand" is a regular part of a person's vocabulary.
There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.
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06-07-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.
Agree. Protect your equity can be a +EV concept when applied in appropriate spots.

Everytime I hear "protect your hand", it is in the context of people betting and getting called by worse that then sucks out on later streets. Almost without exception, better is lamenting not being able to get that worse hand to fold.





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06-07-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.


It's still just a value bet tho. Just semantics tho I guess


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06-07-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
It's still just a value bet tho. Just semantics tho I guess


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Value bet vs bluff binary is an incorrect way to look at betting. It's more of a spectrum
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