Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

07-16-2016 , 09:35 PM
Just left Vegas. I was stunned at the lack of 2/5 games during the daytime. Since I was with my wife who wanted to go to dinner and shows in the evening, I played mostly during the day and I had to play mostly 1/3. I'll say this, anyplace that has 1/3 and 2/5, the 1/3 game is a gold mine. Once the 2/5 games started up I just stayed where I was.

1/2 and 1/3 so far in 2016

Just shy of 100 hours.....$64.65 / hr. Surely not sustainable but damn, those people do not know what they are doing.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-16-2016 , 10:16 PM
Congrats Mike, thats a nice little score. Where did you play?
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-16-2016 , 11:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IMA
Congrats Mike, that's a nice little score. Where did you play?
Not all of those nearly 100 hrs were this trip. Ive played some other places in 2016 that didnt have a 2/5 going as well.

This Vegas trip I played:

1/3 and 2/5 at Aria
1/2 and 2/5 at Caesars
2/5 at Bellagio

I'll be at Graton just north of SF tomorrow.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 12:30 PM
@MikeStarr let us know how graton is. I play at diff casinos in the Bay Area, and always wanted to go to graton. I hear the games are great.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 05:45 PM
I'm on a 8bi downswing.



Over 3 sessions.


I had to fold JJ pre.

I win the blinds with QQ twice.

Brutal.


Mostly tilt.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 07:49 PM
Didn't see AA/KK for 8 hours the other day, finally get KK on the button, the stickiest table in the world decides now is the time to nit it up and I take down the blinds with it.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WereBeer
Didn't see AA/KK for 8 hours the other day, finally get KK on the button, the stickiest table in the world decides now is the time to nit it up and I take down the blinds with it.
Haven't seen either for last 17 hours. Winrate, somehow, still skyrocketing.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 10:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm on a 8bi downswing.



Over 3 sessions.


I had to fold JJ pre.

I win the blinds with QQ twice.

Brutal.


Mostly tilt.
Sorry to hear about your downswing, but TY for posting. I've been BE for 2 months, and it's killing me. There was another thread about a podcast, some pro I never heard of (Matt Berkey?) talking about losing 22 of 25 sessions. It helps me to realize that players way better than me have suffered far worse than I have (so far).
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-17-2016 , 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicname
Haven't seen either for last 17 hours. Winrate, somehow, still skyrocketing.
I ran good that session TBH, you don't really need AA when QQ repeatedly flops top set.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 02:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jc315
@MikeStarr let us know how graton is. I play at diff casinos in the Bay Area, and always wanted to go to graton. I hear the games are great.
The poker room itself is smallish but nice. Probably 20-25 tables. Everything seemed to run petty smooth. People came and went faster than Ive seen in a while though and we played short handed quite a bit.

I ran really bad and missed just about every flop. I played for 3 hours and didnt flop a pair one single time after raising preflop. Lost $350.

I would say overall the players seemed average. Nothing special and not terrible either.

The only hand of any size at all that I won was a bluff. I raised to $25 with AJs after 2 limpers. SB and one limper called. Flop came 822 and the SB led out $40 into the $80 pot. The limper folded. I raised to $120 and the SB folded.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sw_emigre
Sorry to hear about your downswing, but TY for posting. I've been BE for 2 months, and it's killing me. There was another thread about a podcast, some pro I never heard of (Matt Berkey?) talking about losing 22 of 25 sessions. It helps me to realize that players way better than me have suffered far worse than I have (so far).
Berkey is one of the sickest out, get to know that name.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm on a 8bi downswing.

Over 3 sessions.

I had to fold JJ pre.

I win the blinds with QQ twice.

Brutal.

Mostly tilt.
Seems standard. Still sucks though.


Alright winrate peeps ... I've got a question about tracking software.

I've used the website "Check your bets .com" to record my session data since 2008. It's been handy in that I can access it from anywhere, iPad, on vacation, at work, whatever. Makes decently good graphs and filters, but I download the spreadsheet data periodically to do more detailed analysis (the figures I've shared previously).

The problem is that if the site ever goes away, or has problems (like in the last month or so), I'm going to need another solution. My first thought is to just take my last export and switch to keeping everything in an Excel sheet. But that's a little clunky still.

So do any of you use any software that is *NOT* tied to a smartphone but is more elaborate/specialized than Excel? My phone is an idiot and I'd prefer to continue being a life nit and avoid paying for a data plan.

Last edited by Angrist; 07-18-2016 at 02:55 PM. Reason: Forum stripped URL, manually removed
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angrist
Seems standard. Still sucks though.


Alright winrate peeps ... I've got a question about tracking software.

I've used the website "Check your bets .com" to record my session data since 2008. It's been handy in that I can access it from anywhere, iPad, on vacation, at work, whatever. Makes decently good graphs and filters, but I download the spreadsheet data periodically to do more detailed analysis (the figures I've shared previously).

The problem is that if the site ever goes away, or has problems (like in the last month or so), I'm going to need another solution. My first thought is to just take my last export and switch to keeping everything in an Excel sheet. But that's a little clunky still.

So do any of you use any software that is *NOT* tied to a smartphone but is more elaborate/specialized than Excel? My phone is an idiot and I'd prefer to continue being a life nit and avoid paying for a data plan.
I use poker income installed on my Android phone. Then periodically I export my database to cloud backup to do more detailed analysis and to have the data stored somewhere else.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angrist
Seems standard. Still sucks though.


Alright winrate peeps ... I've got a question about tracking software.

I've used the website "Check your bets .com" to record my session data since 2008. It's been handy in that I can access it from anywhere, iPad, on vacation, at work, whatever. Makes decently good graphs and filters, but I download the spreadsheet data periodically to do more detailed analysis (the figures I've shared previously).

The problem is that if the site ever goes away, or has problems (like in the last month or so), I'm going to need another solution. My first thought is to just take my last export and switch to keeping everything in an Excel sheet. But that's a little clunky still.

So do any of you use any software that is *NOT* tied to a smartphone but is more elaborate/specialized than Excel? My phone is an idiot and I'd prefer to continue being a life nit and avoid paying for a data plan.


Poker Dominator is web based. I don't have it on my phone
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by feel wrath
Poker Dominator is web based. I don't have it on my phone

I know it is free, but god damn that website looks so dated.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angrist
Seems standard. Still sucks though.


Alright winrate peeps ... I've got a question about tracking software.

I've used the website "Check your bets .com" to record my session data since 2008. It's been handy in that I can access it from anywhere, iPad, on vacation, at work, whatever. Makes decently good graphs and filters, but I download the spreadsheet data periodically to do more detailed analysis (the figures I've shared previously).

The problem is that if the site ever goes away, or has problems (like in the last month or so), I'm going to need another solution. My first thought is to just take my last export and switch to keeping everything in an Excel sheet. But that's a little clunky still.

So do any of you use any software that is *NOT* tied to a smartphone but is more elaborate/specialized than Excel? My phone is an idiot and I'd prefer to continue being a life nit and avoid paying for a data plan.


Use this as an excuse to learn excel better. without ever seeing what web based options there are, I'm pretty confident in saying that excel is more powerful 100% of the time vs free options
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-18-2016 , 07:44 PM
Eh. I'm an engineer and plenty familiar with Excel. Between that and the Matlab stuff I've already written I've probably got everything that I'd ever need for analysis. But I don't really care if one of the web based options is "less powerful" as it's still more than sufficient. I just really want something that I can access from other computers/iPad when I travel without a lot of hassle.

The one I've been using is great and I plan on continuing to use it. I'm just looking for alternatives in case I need to switch.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-19-2016 , 03:57 PM
Winrate update for July so far:

42.2 hours this month, +$1045 for a solid $24.78/hr

A couple of good sessions where things went well, and a bunch of essentially break-even sessions with less than +-$100 either way.

Almost makes up for a 60.5 hour -$975 June (-$16.13/hr).
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-19-2016 , 04:32 PM
played 2 hours only this week. had a pretty good winrate still...
http://imgur.com/NuvNWj9
http://imgur.com/199sLWN
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If I recall correctly (???), Duke recently (within 2 months?) posted a giraffe / stats with fairly impressive overall results that included a decent breakeven period.

See post#14598, was a ~300 hour breakeven stretch and a ~500 hour of below minimum wage.

G650hoursain't****,imoG
These stretches are extremely normal and can occur for many different reasons. I have a total live sample of 5k hours. In those hours, I have had one 1800 hour break even stretch, and two 500 hour stretches.

From November 2014 until early summer 2016 I made 0 dollars playing poker.

Ballin.

My observed wr over entire sample is $100/hour and my standard deviation is 22x my win rate.

For me, my big big break even stretch was due to playing in huge games and losing in them. This took me months to recover in my regular games. I also play only PLO.

Variance comes in so many different forms. It would be far easier to forecast if your entire sample was static.

Sent from my SM-G935V using 2+2 Forums
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 11:49 AM
For the winners out there at 1/2 - 2/5 that make more than 7bb/ hour over a decent sample: Do you find that you regularly make small errors but still maintain your win rate? Or are these small mistakes pretty rare? Not talking about huge mistakes, but small to medium.

I have a pretty good win rate over a small sample at 1/2 ($30/hr over 120 hours), but i find that maybe on average for every 2-3 hours of play or so, i make a small to medium mistake and im having trouble eliminating them.

Kind of a vague question that might be hard to answer, but is there room for consistent (every 2-3 hours), small mistakes with otherwise solid play when trying to maintain a win rate above 7bb / hr? Do you still make mistakes fairly regularly?
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 11:52 AM
Anyone who says they dont make small to medium mistakes at least once or more per session is lying to themselves or is not good enough to realize that some of their plays are mistakes at all.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niceguy22
For the winners out there at 1/2 - 2/5 that make more than 7bb/ hour over a decent sample: Do you find that you regularly make small errors but still maintain your win rate? Or are these small mistakes pretty rare? Not talking about huge mistakes, but small to medium.

I have a pretty good win rate over a small sample at 1/2 ($30/hr over 120 hours), but i find that maybe on average for every 2-3 hours of play or so, i make a small to medium mistake and im having trouble eliminating them.

Kind of a vague question that might be hard to answer, but is there room for consistent (every 2-3 hours), small mistakes with otherwise solid play when trying to maintain a win rate above 7bb / hr? Do you still make mistakes fairly regularly?
My guess is that the key is how many (and size of) mistakes you are making compared to your opponents. If your opponents are just lol sucky horrible, you could probably beat up on them long term still making a decent amount of small mistakes / etc. But as soon as your opponents start not sucking nearly as bad, the margin to being profitable against them becomes much thinner, and those mistakes you are making now make it much more difficult to outrun the rake.

GjustaguessG
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Anyone who says they dont make small to medium mistakes at least once or more per session is lying to themselves or is not good enough to realize that some of their plays are mistakes at all.
Or only plays really *really* short sessions
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote
07-21-2016 , 12:27 PM
I think everyone makes a few mistakes here and there. It's incredibly difficult to play at 100% all the time, and then there are a lot of mistakes that you can't even see that you're making.

Something to keep in mind is that mistakes that are -EV in a vacuum for a single hand may not be as bad overall. Over-limping or completing the SB wide is a small mistake. Calling off a draw when the pot odds aren't quite right is a small mistake. But these things can impact our image and future EV. One of the *few* things that random players seem to notice is folding the SB in a limped pot ... I've had them call me a nit immediately for that. Sure, we can adjust and exploit whatever image we have, but I expect that having a little more of an actiony image is more profitable than a nitty one. Getting one extra bad river call for 75BB from a villain because we're not a nit makes up for a *lot* of small 0.25-0.5BB preflop mistakes.
Winrates, bankrolls, and finances Quote

      
m