But he gave me coaching for free.

Haha. Well it definitely wasn't a dude at least. I'm at work now but maybe I'll tell the full story later.

Bottom line is that 90 hours just isn't enough to tell anything.

Your preflop raising range is a lot wider than mine, but for me it all depends on whether your raises are successfully narrowing the field. If they are (preferably to HU) then it's probably fine. But if you are just building bloated multiway pots every time, my belief is that you should rethink this strategy.

Best idea is to post some hands / grunch other threads and glean as much as you can from that, imo.

Ggoodluck!G

Players with no fold button are what I look for.

That sounds like you don't take things seriously when down, results oriented. There are many reasons to keep playing, chasing losses is bad. Don't rack off, cash out. I've left and gone home 20 minutes into a table because I figured out the players were on my level or above, and that's not profitable unless I get lucky.

Oh man. If that's really true, sometimes that's a good time to sit and watch. Fold (nearly) everything and just pay attention to what they're doing and how they're playing. (While obviously waiting on a table change request.)

I sat in a short-handed 2-5 game in Las Vegas last year during the series. It was me and 4 European grinders. I got up and left after a short time. Sometimes there is just easier money to be made at a different table.

4srs, don't follow as gospel the guy with 160 hours of live play. He may be a good player but he may just be a guy on a heater.

@pexw

As has been mentioned, results are fairly irrelevant until you get close to 1000 hours and even then it's more just an indicator. Don't fret too much about a loss over 100 hours. You are winning more than you are losing per session, so you have that going for you. What you want to focus on going forward are these aspects of your game:

1) (While playing) Am I playing well right now? If not, can I refocus or should I go home even if it means booking a loss? (Small losses are obviously preferable to big ones)

2) (After the session) Am I getting my money in as a favorite? If not, what is the key decision I'm making that is leading to getting the money in bad? Focus on playing better in those spots.

3) When you experiencing a bad run, it is helpful to return to basics. Playing straightforward ABC will win the money at 1/2 and while it can be useful to mix up your play, at the lowest levels it's mostly unnecessary. Our opponents are generally unobservant and making balancing plays can introduce leaks into our game without any real benefit.

4) Post and discuss hands that you're unsure of and don't dwell on losing hands where you lose as a favorite against their range.

If you can do these things, I'm confident that your winrate will quickly right itself.

I think the best way to learn live game is to play abc tag at 5 or 10nl online. Nothing beats experience and you play a lot more hands online for wayy cheaper. A break-even 10nl player can win at 200nl live if you don't tilt and are able to stay patient.

On a bright side, just had the best session of my life yesterday. Running good on a gambly table=very fun.

One question that kind of covers both of these is Am I winning the reciprocality game? #Tommy Angelo

Not really. It's like saying that play lots and lots of play money poker will help you improve, and that old farts who have been playing poker for 50 years are best players.

Apple and orange.

I often found this to be close to the truth but is obviously very dependent on which online site you play on and which casino you are playing at...

What do people think is an achievable win rate playing £1/£2 or $1/$2 ?

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Not sure how many online players came to this forum and wonder why they can't beat live.

Everyone just assume that because it is tougher to win online, therefore you must have acquired the skillset to beat live.

$3.50 is pretty solid

You need decent fundamentals to beat online, the same fundamentals you need to beat low stake live.

Of course the game is slightly different and there is a transition period to adjust to multiway bloated pot but the discipline to fold hands/hand read/bet sizes can all be learned OL.

Can't disagree with the first part, but definitely disagree with the second.

There are many elements required to beat live, because you can't just sit there in front of your computer and multi-table to grind out small edges.

How many of these players that beat online would still play same game if they are not allowed to multi-table?

It's more than that.

Sure, you can establish a baseline rather easy in live, but whatever edge you think you have in beating 10NL, it ain't gonna help you to beat boredom, tilts, and the randomness that are donkeys.

Funniest thing I read is always: "god, these live players are so bad...but I don't know how to beat them, because I have never played with players as bad as them online."

I remember thinking something like this. "Wow I should be crushing this game people are so bad" when I started my transition to live.

Of course the mental aspect of the game is different, but abc poker is abc poker.

LOL at abc poker...

Online poker, and live poker are 2 complete animals. Yes, some people have skills to beat both. But because you can beat 50nl doesn't mean can beat 1/2.

Alot of people can learn to beat 50nl. Very few can learn patience, mental fortitude to beat live poker. Online players are at a disadvantage (when they transition live) as they can easily see 200 hands an hour. When they move live they can't adjust to the speed of game. Have hard time controlling mental aspect of game, when they haven't shipped a single pot in 2hrs.

Alot of people asking about there stats on here with just 100-200 hrs played.

They mean nothing!!!!!!!!

I generally don't post statistic s on here. But here are my last 3 small sample sizes.

Only 1/2 300 max

42hrs=+4, 914. (Obviously ran like the sun)

74hrs= $-2142
21hrs=$+2492 (great games, guys gave me 150BB stacks)

You can look at results and say I am aggro idiot with a **** ton of variance (and run good). But I have over 1k hrs of stats and rest show normal swings. The game we love has cruel and epic swings. There is no way to know a true winrate at 200hrs. Doubt we know our true winrate at 5k hours.

Just play and enjoy your time at tables. And pray you run neutral. Fix your leaks. And compete the best you can.



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Everyone's different when it comes to transitioning from online to live. For me personally my mental game is way better live than it is online and I know for a number of people it's the other way around. I don't think being able to beat micros online is a guarantee that you'll be able to beat 1/2 live but at the same time that person's chance of success at live 1/2 is much higher than some random joe learning poker for the first time.

Beating the live games for a good amount has little to do with whether you're a good online player and everything to do with if you're a good poker player. When you discover the difference, you'll be on your way.

Thread is getting derailed. Post a separate transition thread to argue OL vs Live

Completely agree. I went from 100nl 6 max online to 200nl live. Discipline and patience is critical when playing live. When I first started I was way to aggressive preflop. My opening range was to wide and you always get 3-4 callers. It took me about 40 hours to adapt.