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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

10-29-2013 , 10:42 AM
How many hands per hour?
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10-29-2013 , 12:54 PM
50-65 table dependent
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10-29-2013 , 02:35 PM
I will say that 100 hours is pretty worthless in terms of sample, but that $40 an hour at 60 hands per hour sounds pretty reasonable, actually with a $300 buy in it could be a tad more.

The go-to quoted metric in llsnl is 10bb/hr, I think that is a very "if you are crushing" number, but it seems about right. As most live games see ~30 hands per hour, it would stand to reason that your hourly would be double of the regular expectation.

Basically:

If 10bb/hr is the expectation, and we see 30 hands per hour:

10bb/30 = 20bb/60 = 33bb/100
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11-01-2013 , 02:00 PM
Managed to play every day in October, good results with couple of 2/5 sessions mixed in. Probably put in 300 hours this month between work and poker

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11-01-2013 , 02:03 PM
Lol 2 losing sessions in a month? That's so gross.
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11-01-2013 , 02:07 PM
I think the red are 2/5? There are like a dozen negative-profit days in that sheet.
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11-01-2013 , 02:09 PM
Oh haha I just glanced at the first one any my jaw dropped
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11-01-2013 , 02:09 PM
Heater (or not runbad) activated!



Easy game. I find that during this run, flopping sets and getting it all in, or getting it all in with KK+ pf has been a good strategy. Also, try to make sure they don't hit flushes on you when you are all in.

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11-01-2013 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
I think the red are 2/5? There are like a dozen negative-profit days in that sheet.
Yeah, this. 2/5 days are in red. Think I had like 12 losing days in October.
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11-01-2013 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Heater (or not runbad) activated!



Easy game. I find that during this run, flopping sets and getting it all in, or getting it all in with KK+ pf has been a good strategy. Also, try to make sure they don't hit flushes on you when you are all in.

What software/app is this?
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11-01-2013 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
What software/app is this?
Pokercharts. It's cheap, easy to use, and I like the stats.
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11-01-2013 , 02:38 PM
I laughed at ROI vs. DJIA

brb cashing out my retirement funds and investing in 10/25
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11-01-2013 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Managed to play every day in October, good results with couple of 2/5 sessions mixed in. Probably put in 300 hours this month between work and poker

Its official,

I hate you

Have a nice day

EDIT: oh, I misread the chart, I thought out of the entire month you only had 2 losing sessions...

okay, Now I see the daily profits and that you are in fact human. Okay, I don't hate you anymore though you have had some impressive streaks that have made me jealous...
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11-01-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
Its official,

I hate you

Have a nice day
Come play at the Red Rock, easy money! I also hear they love locals.
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11-01-2013 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Come play at the Red Rock, easy money! I also hear they love locals.
You don't like the challenge of higher games and yet you invite challenges.

Doesn't make sense.
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11-01-2013 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
You don't like the challenge of higher games and yet you invite challenges.

Doesn't make sense.
I'm not challenging anyone...where'd you get that from? I like the low-variance "like taking a trip to the ATM" $1/2 pokers free money machine. 2/5 is good too, but the game at Red Rock usually sucks.
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11-01-2013 , 04:25 PM
You're good...
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11-01-2013 , 05:38 PM
I was thinking about this and just wanted to get an opinion from other players.

For example, say Player X is a full time 2/5NL poker player and his winrate is 10bb/ hr while playing 160 hours a month (same total hours as a are a regular person working a full time job). So player X monthly income would be $50*160 = $8000/ month.

So my question would be: Wouldn't Player X's actual true winrate be lower since he spends many hours during the month studying poker? Unlike a regular person who doesn't bring home work or studies for work?

Say player X spends 2 hours a day studying poker in a month so that's 60 hours. So would his true winrate be $8000/ (160hrs+60hrs) = 7.27bb/ hour instead of 10bb/ hour?

I didn't include commuting, breaks, dinner etc cux regular people with regular jobs do not get paid for those things.

Your thoughts?
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11-01-2013 , 06:35 PM
What's the point of making such differentiation?
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11-02-2013 , 11:22 AM
I suppose you should count study hours towards your hourly if you are or want to be a pro.

You also don't get a 401k which includes company matching, cheap or free health insurance, paid vacation days, bonuses. You also miss out on potential higher paying jobs.

These are just some things you must weigh against the reasons for becoming a pro.
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11-02-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lbrasci

So my question would be: Wouldn't Player X's actual true winrate be lower since he spends many hours during the month studying poker? Unlike a regular person who doesn't bring home work or studies for work?

Say player X spends 2 hours a day studying poker in a month so that's 60 hours. So would his true winrate be $8000/ (160hrs+60hrs) = 7.27bb/ hour instead of 10bb/ hour?

If you are comparing the hourly earnings of a poker pro to a regular hourly wage earner, what you are saying definitely has some merit. Assuming that a typical poker pro makes $30+/hr., however, there aren't too many hourly jobs that pay $30+/ hour.

In my opinion, it would be more accurate if you compare the hourly earnings of a typical poker pro to that of a salaried wage earner. When we calculate the yearly salary, you multiply your hourly x 2,080 (40hrs a week x 52 weeks in a year).

When you are on salary, you don't get paid overtime. At my previous job, no one at manager and above put in 8 hours a day. They all worked 10+ hrs a day, and sometimes on the weekends too. Also, you'd be naive to think that they don't bring work home.

All in all, I'd say that a poker pro making $50/hr is fairly equivalent to a regular person making $100k a year on salary, in terms of strictly monetary value.
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11-02-2013 , 05:43 PM
Not if you consider vacation, sick pays, insurance, and other benefits.

You may walk away with the same cash value in "best" case scenario and only then.
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11-03-2013 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Managed to play every day in October, good results with couple of 2/5 sessions mixed in. Probably put in 300 hours this month between work and poker

That is a truly sick month at 1/2. How many hours?
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11-03-2013 , 03:16 AM
Heater! 40 hours 1/2 mostly NLHE and some plo/big o. The rest is $2/5NLHe 3/5 spread limit HE and 2/5 PLO/Big O
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11-03-2013 , 03:43 PM
How come some people have tips in their stats and others don't? Are those dealer tips or waitress + dealer tips?

I always figured you'd track that you bought in for $200 and left with $750 regardless of whether you only won 2 big pots and tipped twice for $5 total or if you won 20 smaller pots and tipped $25 total.

Unless you're trying to track and see if you're overtipping or something I guess. But that's a discussion for the tipping containment thread - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...hread-1045503/
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