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12-27-2007 , 06:01 PM
thanks for a great thread jman
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12-27-2007 , 06:38 PM
awesome, gracias
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12-27-2007 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by stephenNUTS
EDIT: One question I have after absorbing everything on this thread with admiration.You made a statement about ..."not being happy/jealous" if any of your friends make a big score or something?

You dont seem like the type of guy that would root AGAINST your buddies...or did I mis-understand you or were you serious?
im a little bit like this myself...its not that i root against them, its just that i dont feel genuinely happy when they make a big score
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12-27-2007 , 06:50 PM
MDMA and TWP,
I think what he means is he wants the player to be able to easily play correctly against his range but play incorrectly against his actual hand sounds like double talk but isn't. This is pretty standard no? FWIW I think the double negatives made it confusing.
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12-27-2007 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JMa
im a little bit like this myself...its not that i root against them, its just that i dont feel genuinely happy when they make a big score
Obviously if you were playing against your friend at a tourney/final table ,I would understand it.....but why wouldnt you want your 'friend' to win, unless it personally affected you in some financial way?

Stephen
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12-27-2007 , 08:32 PM
gratitude yo.
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12-27-2007 , 08:33 PM
because people don't like to see people they know getting richer than them, even if they are friends. i think it's a pretty common thing, yet one that people are embarrassed about, and no one can really explain. strassa once said i was the only person he didn't mind seeing doing well in a tournament, ha. jason

great thread jman.
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12-27-2007 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Jman,

I will hire you as my improv coach.

For my first skit: I'm pretending to be a great poker player. I'm on the button with 98s. UTG, a TAG, opens ...........
haha
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12-27-2007 , 10:00 PM
I understand if you're getting too many questions so feel free not to answer this.

You said that you're slightly less happier due to poker than you would otherwise be without it, coming from a guy who's made millions from the game i found this suprising, could you maybe elaborate more on why you feel this way? I can imagine that a lot of mid-stakes grinders and people who are less mentaly sound than yourself (*cough*Grimstarr*Cough*) are negatively affected by poker, but i don't get why you feel it's made you less happy.

Also, do you feel you are addicted to poker? Do you believe you could stop playing for a month,6 months, a year if you felt it was having a negative impact on your life?

And once again, you're a ****ing awesome guy and this is a ****ing awesome thread.
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12-28-2007 , 02:11 AM
phil, if there was anyone i know that i could model my overall demeanor and outlook on life off of, it would be you. i also wish i had your eloquent flair with words in writing and articulation. whenever i try to spill out my thoughts it comes out as a garbled mess. im going to stop jocking your nuts now and ask..

what are the 2 best and worst aspects of my game?

would i benefit from tommy angelo coaching?

why does durrr tilt me so much, and in so many ways?

when are we going skiing?

ily
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12-28-2007 , 03:36 AM
general thought process while working through a hand?
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12-28-2007 , 03:54 AM
K you can keep asking questions, but no promises on anything asked after now.

Actually no promises on any questions but I'll try.
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12-28-2007 , 04:02 AM
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I haven't played a ton of nl lately. Maybe I'll make up a cool hand.

Oooooh actually, I'll tell you about a play I like. I didn't name it but I think I'll call it the 'Root Beer'.

$10k stacks.

Loose semi-aggro decent player opens to $350 from the HJ at 50/100. I make it $1300 from SB with AJss or KK.

Flop T54 two spades. ($2700)
I give him the root beer and bet $650

He usually won't have a hand, but he won't want to fold for $650 into that pot. So he can either return my root beer and make it $2500 (I shove, he folds usually), or he can make a float.

Let's say he chooses to float, which he will fairly often.

Turn Qo or T or 7o, or whatever.

There are two options I like on the turn after I root beer the flop.

One is a check shove. That's kind've the logical one, right? We've forced them to float, so we should let them bluff. But sometimes they check behind, and sometimes they have a weak made hand.

What I like to do more is bet $1500 into the $4000.

What usually happens is that they fold, since they don't have a hand. But a lot of times what happens is they think "hmmmm I can't call this, I have 4 outs/no outs/bottom pair. But why did I float then? To take away this pot. RAISE"

They make it $4k and I shove and they fold. Tada!

It also works nicely with bluffs because you lay yourself a nice price.
Apart from pre-flop, this play seems remarkably similar to one some of my, uhh, 'less orthodox' opponents like making at 50-200nl. I now realize I may have been getting 'Root Beer-ed'.

I was wondering if you could explain the logic behind the flop bet in a bit more detail. (I know some of it will be to do with the games you play in but whatever.) As far as I understand it the point is to get your opponent to put more money in on the flop or subsequent streets with nothing, because he feels he can't fold, and then does something stupid. However, if he has anything other than nothing, this doesn't seem like a great bet with AJss/KK because he is getting huge odds for any straight, flush or even overcard/2 pair draw. Given that he's raised from mp and then called a re-raise, why do you expect him to have nothing enough for this to be a good idea? Or am I missing the point?

Hope that makes sense. And thanks for doing this; as everyone else has already said, this is a monstrous well.
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12-28-2007 , 05:30 AM
Great well, definitely the best one I've seen. No questions but just wanted to say I've already implemented something I read in this thread to my game and it worked to perfection, so basically thanks for making me a better player. I never read any of your articles before but I think I'm going to start.
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12-28-2007 , 05:46 AM
would you ever "root beer" bluff?

i love the idea but I think smart opponents can realize you would never bet 1/5th the pot as a (pure) bluff. Although I may be underestimating the he-man syndrome of the upper stakes.
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12-28-2007 , 05:48 AM
Hey jman,

I talked to you briefly during the 5k plo rebuy. Getting to tell ppl i talked to you when you were on hsp was cool and you being kind and talking for a few minutes definitely made my vegas experience more enjoyable. This thread is the best ive read on the site and im sure ill reread your responses at least two more times. I feel like I'm doing a lot of the things you have done to improve. I'm just not as near as far along. TYTYTYVM for this well.
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12-28-2007 , 06:12 AM
Hey Phil,

You are a great writer. There are many excellent poker players out there but ask them to write responses as clear as you have to this thread, or articles like your Bluff ones, and they couldn't do it.

I don't really have a question, but just want you to know how really good your writing is (coming from a journalism major/writer himself.) It's a skill that is really really hard to teach and most will never have the ability to write complicated thoughts in a clear way that nearly everyone can understand them.

Basically -- know your talent. Your words can make you a lot of money.
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12-28-2007 , 06:19 AM
I think Jman is trying to politely request that we all **** off. I beleive that this is more than acceptable as this has been one of the best wells in recent times.

Many thanks to you Phil.
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12-28-2007 , 06:23 AM
Most poker players I meet have some vice that accompanies the degenerative gambling (cigarettes, alcohol, pot, etc). I'm not implying someone playing winning poker should be considered a degen but a lot of players are wayyy bigger degenerates than they would like to admit. Do you think some one can beat the HS/nosebleed stakes while still using one or more of these vices on a regular basis?

Do you have a particular vice that you indulge in at or away from the table, obv some drinks with you friends at low limit live games is cool but what about say smoking marijuana regular basis while playing poker. How much do your think vices like these can hold you back even if you are taking care of your self in ever other possible aspect (diet, exercise, etc)?
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12-28-2007 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sMethod
Most poker players I meet have some vice that accompanies the degenerative gambling (cigarettes, alcohol, pot, etc). I'm not implying someone playing winning poker should be considered a degen but a lot of players are wayyy bigger degenerates than they would like to admit. Do you think some one can beat the HS/nosebleed stakes while still using one or more of these vices on a regular basis?

Do you have a particular vice that you indulge in at or away from the table, obv some drinks with you friends at low limit live games is cool but what about say smoking marijuana regular basis while playing poker. How much do your think vices like these can hold you back even if you are taking care of your self in ever other possible aspect (diet, exercise, etc)?
i know for a fact that at least a couple of the best/winningest players online are usually drunk or stoned when they play. and a lot more, like probably more than half, very frequently drink or smoke immediately after sessions to relax.
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12-28-2007 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
i know for a fact that at least a couple of the best/winningest players online are usually drunk or stoned when they play. and a lot more, like probably more than half, very frequently drink or smoke immediately after sessions to relax.
im not trying to get all deep but i really dont consider these things vices with the typical negative connotation associated with that word

they are neither right nor wrong just a choice...

and i dont think ike and i are trying to answer for jman but everyone drinks and just about everyone smokes....
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12-28-2007 , 08:16 AM
great job, very insightful posts. thank you
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12-28-2007 , 08:46 AM
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i know for a fact that at least a couple of the best/winningest players online are usually drunk or stoned when they play. and a lot more, like probably more than half, very frequently drink or smoke immediately after sessions to relax.

Go wake up Emil anyone?
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12-28-2007 , 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by RiverFenix
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You mentioned you made up some HU games w/ Durrrr. In general how comfortable do you feel playing a new game against really talented (or awful) opposition. Say if a good high limit razz, 7 stud, etc game was running would you have no problems hoping in despite that game not being your forte?
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I basically have zero limit experience. If I limit game opened up, I think it would have to be full of megefish before I jumped in.

If a new pot limit game was invented tomorrow, I would probably play in any 6 handed game.
No offense, but the really good NLHE players usually are the megafish in a HORSE, or especially razz, game.
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12-28-2007 , 02:35 PM
Very nice thread. I would've liked to see you at the 500k Buy-In on HSP cause we couldnt see much of your game before on TV.
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