Hero´s table just got broken and he was moved here.

Villain 1: teenager. handles his chips alright but struck me as a likely ABC player.

Villain 2: older blue collar type. Huge fish. Playing every hand. Will call flop with only a backdoor draw. Easy to play against.

Villain 3: Loose bad player. ABC and easy to read.

Hero: early thirties white guy, chatty, drinking, obviously tired, waiting for his ride so he can go home.

$1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG V1 ($300)
EP ($130)
EP+1($250)
MP ($150)
MP+1 ($200)
MP+2 V2 ($150)
CO V3 ($400)
Button ($300)
SB ($200)
BB Hero ($1600)

Hero is dealt QJ

V1 opens $12. V2, V3, and Hero call.

Flop ($48) J64

Hero checks, V1 bets $15, V2 calls, Hero raises to $80, V1 calls, V2 folds

Normally bet 2/3 of the pot here and fold to a raise, but checked for some reason. Didn´t think V1 had anything after his small bet and V2 is a fish so went for value.

Turn ($213): 6

Hero checks, V1 checks

River: T

Hero checks, V1 bets $200, Hero???

I would fold. I'm not sure I love the flop C/R with TPMK. V1's bet does look weak on the flop and the V2 call means almost nothing but often you wind in spots like this. Usually all worse hands fold and only better hands call and that leaves us in akward spots like this on the turn/river.

The only thing the V could really be bluffing with here is a missed Flush, would V call your flop C/R with that? Not sure. Any worse hands would have probably folded the flop I don't think we are good often enough to call.

What flop continuing range are we ahead on the river?

Don't like the flop c/r, though I understand that once you decide to c/c, you can't follow through and let draws in that cheaply.

Why the turn check? If this guy is ABC, b/f should be a lot better.

Your hand looks a lot like a busted FD now. Given the tiny blocking bet OTF, V might also have a lot of busted FD in his range. Could also have 77-TT and JT. I think that you're good a bit over 1/3 of the time here, which is all you need, so I guess I call. He just left himself a tiny amount behind though, instead of shoving? That's worrying.

Weird. I'm not sure why we c/r flop and chk turn. Kind of makes it look like we might have semi bluffed a FD and took a free card. Villain shouldn't have any flopped monsters here as I expect them to have 3bet the flop. Overpairs usually betting bigger otf but I guess he could have some QQ+ some of the time. The other Value hands are JTdd JTcc,

So the way we played the hand I guess he could be bluffing AKss, AQss... It feels kind of close but again nothing in our read suggests he's bluffing and there are no clues as to his opening range. I'd probably fold now since he shouldn't be bluffing his entire stack here.

I think once we c/r flop we overplayed our hand without a good plan.

I'd try not to drink and play tired.

When he calls my big raise on the flop I put him on AA-JJ (16combos), (AT, AQ,AK, KQ, KT )(5combos), AJ (8 combos), KJs (2 combos), JTs(2 combos) I guess AK, AQ with a big spade are possible, though unlikely

So 26 combinantions have me crushed, 5 have a draw to a flush plus possible overs, and occasionally he has two overs with a big spade or JTs.

Turn bet seems like a spew. If he bets I can easily fold with a clear conscience. If he checks it through and the river is a brick and he bets 1/2 the pot I call everytime.

If he bet´s $150, is it a clear call?

If that's the range you put him on, unless you think the turn check back narrows the hell out of it, the river is an obvious fold.

So you think betting the turn would be spew, so what do you consider the flop check raise?

Yes. It does of course. Young guys with big pairs are mostly betting the turn after I check. He paused for a bit on the turn before he checked which concerned me. (The corollary (sic?) is to consider a check raise here if you have the boat).

So how much to discount an overpair? 50%?. So say 13 combinations we are behind; [5 flush draws plus possible over cards, 2 combinations of JTs, and [(AK (4 combos), AK (4 combos), AQ (4 combos) ]X33%=4 combos.]=11 combos we are ahead of.

Math was never a strength of mine

So, given we are behind more than not, why not check, use our reading abilities on the river?

After your flop c/r I think only AQss, AKss and maybe KQss are continuing throw in a rando FD combo or two. But mostly 2 overs +FD. There are no likely pair+FD combos. I rarely see an overpair under bet a flop like this they are always protecting their hand. I actually see a flopped set as more likely than an overpair. So I wouldn't put more than one combo ea of QQ+ in his range.

A few TT combos might be in there that were stubborn / skeptical otf.

Something to post on TwoplusTwo!

Seriously, I do play strangely sometimes and put myself in weird spots.

Btw, you posted a ton of hands recently. Some results might be interesting.

Given the action, I would put villains big bet at the end as a value betting a better jack. We can almost certainly rule out busted overpair flush draws, since they wouldn't lead out, get raised and just call (they shouldn't, who knows what fish might do).

Given action and initial position, I put villain on basically KJ, AJ, or QQ-AA, so easy fold.

What are overpair flush-draws? As for overcard flush draws, many decent Vs will not semi-bluff 3-bet them, as they realize that they have little FE after a c/r, and fishy ones won't because they just want to see if they hit.

I fail to see how 3 betting with overcard flush draws is a semi-bluff, given the huge equity those hands have.

The turn check looks like pot control, and the river pot sized bet looks like an overpair hoping J10 is calling with an already counterfeit two pair, or maybe just a strong jack value betting. I would fold tpmk here all day.

lol just fold. Unless you actually folded on the turn and just "changed the hand to make it interesting".

Villain's line is really weird. He raises pre 6x UTG, then bets tiny second to act into a 4way pot, then flats a big reraise IP. This looks a lot like JJ/AKss/AQss. Checking back the turn is pretty suspicious. Then he bombs the river into a check. Given your read on him as ABC, I'd expect JJ here like 100% of the time.

Oh yeah, and flop c/r is spew, you're turning TPMK into a bluff against V1, and V2 often has nothing here. Just flat and evaluate turn based on sizing/read.

That's the very definition of semi-bluffing. You are betting without a made hand, but have lots of equity to fall back on if called. FDs with two overcards and OESFDs (both also known as "15-out draws") are the archetypical semi-bluff hands discussed in Super System.

I think I find a call here, actually.

If villain has an overpair or tptk, he took a massively FPS line. Tiny flop bet to induce a c/r, call the c/r, then check behind the turn to give nfds a free river shot?

I think villain's range consists of one combo of JJ, one combo of quads, two j10s combos, and a bunch of busted flush draw combos.

Since he's polarized, I'll look for a live tell to influence my decision. But I think he shows up with A-high here a lot.