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03-02-2018 , 01:32 AM

Keys Kid

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 92

5-5NL

I’ve never seen the Villian before but he was very aware and knew what he was doing. Certainly one of the better players in the 5-5 arena. His stack was around $2400 in Mine was $980.

MP opens to 35 (his standard), MP+1 calls, HJ (Villian) calls, Hero looks down OTB at J

and calls.

Flop: Q

(Pot $150)

Check, check, Villian bets 75, I call, fold, fold

Turn: Q

(Pot $300)

Villian bets $200, I shove...

My Villian is aggressive. I don’t think it’s impossible for him to make 2 barrel semi bluffs in these spots.

Last edited by Keys Kid; 03-02-2018 at 01:48 AM.

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03-02-2018 , 02:29 AM

matzah_ball

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,737

What the hell are you trying to accomplish

Pre prefer 3bet.
Flop might just be a fold multiway with a hand that blocks all the draws

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03-02-2018 , 03:21 AM

haha_TP

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 559

This might be a spot on the turn where I will have no raises vs an aggressive player, you're essentially depriving him of information since you're playing your whole range (that you didn't raise the flop with) the same. So that's gonna make things very difficult for him on the river if he was bluffing or betting a marginal hand.

But yeah, I don't see a shove especially with this hand being good. You're never folding him off a queen, almost never getting called by worse, and you're making him fold his bluffs.

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03-02-2018 , 04:31 AM

6bet me

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,885

I'm not happy about the way this hand was played.

Preflop: this is a fistpump squeeze. Make it $175.
Flop: As played, this is actually a fold. We're blocking a lot of draws, having two Jacks and a diamond in our hand, and I don't believe that villain is Cbetting air here in a 4way pot.
Turn: This is also bad. We're essentially turning our hand into a bluff and trying to get KK/AA to fold, except villain has all 16 combos of KQ and AQ in his range too, so this is going to work less than half the time.

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03-02-2018 , 02:34 PM

mdelore

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,315

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Originally Posted by 6bet me

I agree with all this except villain is probably squeezing with KK, AA, weighting him toward Q's and semibluffs.

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03-02-2018 , 04:59 PM

SwolyswoND

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,976

Played every street wrong. 3! pre, fold flop, on the turn fold >>> call >>>>>>>>> shove.

Villain wasn't the PFR and doesn't have KK/AA in his range most likely. What exactly are you trying to fold out?

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03-02-2018 , 05:55 PM

jc315

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,049

very clear 3bet pre. so much dead money in the middle.

you have the one of the worst hands to bluff here. you double block all JT, you block KdJd, Jd9d, AdJd hands that would be reasonable for him to bet this flop. he shouldnt be betting into 4 other people with hands that are too weak on this flop. I would expect any decent player to be c-betting into 4 players with at least QJ+/KK/AA/sets/2pair or big draws.

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03-02-2018 , 07:33 PM

WarPig6565

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 256

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Originally Posted by Keys Kid

and calls.

Flop: Q

(Pot $150)

Check, check, Villian bets 75, I call, fold, fold

Turn: Q

(Pot $300)

Villian bets $200, I shove...

My Villian is aggressive. I don’t think it’s impossible for him to make 2 barrel semi bluffs in these spots.

This all depends on your image. Given Villian is one of the best players in the room, he should be folding everything except boats/quads if you have repped a tight aggressive image to this point.

But there's a decent chance he makes the correct read and calls. I don't really like crazy bluffs against top players. Usually these aren't the ones you want to be playing back against.

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03-02-2018 , 07:40 PM

fatmanonguitar

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Agree with most ITT. Hand is pretty massacred.

Prefer 3-bet pre.

Flop is a fold.

What are you repping by shoving turn? What fat value hand can you have on the turn that wouldn't have raised flop?

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03-02-2018 , 08:57 PM

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jc315

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,049

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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar

Agree with most ITT. Hand is pretty massacred.

Prefer 3-bet pre.

Flop is a fold.

What are you repping by shoving turn? What fat value hand can you have on the turn that wouldn't have raised flop?

I mean I think h can rep some hands here. And only like QX is calling I think and if the player is a disciplined player he will fold some weaker Qx but I think we reasonably rep like KQ/AQ and a decent amount of boats.

My problem is that we block a lot of the semi bluffs that villain has here. Villain cbet into 4 people AND bet 2/3 pot when the Q paired. Unless he’s major spew then he is heavily weighted toward strong value hands or big draws. We majorly block big draws.

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03-02-2018 , 09:08 PM

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JovaKarambol

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Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 27

I think shoving the turn is relying on our read of him 2 barreling too much.

If you think he might be on a flush draw call the turn, with the plan of calling all non diamond rivers. You give him a chance to hit his draw, but don't get stacked by a Q, and he probably has to bluff if he misses so you don't miss out on too much.

Another thing to consider is if he would 3-bet AQ preflop as this removes many of his Qx combos.

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03-02-2018 , 09:11 PM

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JovaKarambol

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As many people ITT already said we are blocking many of his bluffs so without a strong read I would probably fold the flop.

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