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Turned Flush in Multi way pot. (SB) Turned Flush in Multi way pot. (SB)

01-17-2012 , 12:09 PM
Summary: 5th hour at this 1/2 table we have about 4 players at a 10 handed table that are playing loose and passive preflop and arent to aggressive after the flop.

Hero: Stack size ~ 500 been loosening up, pots at this table have been very big, started play TAG and have moved to more of a LAG in last hour, have no history with V1, have only lost one of about six hands at showdown.

V1: Stack size ~275 just sat down, have not history, seems like an above avg. player.

V2: Stack size ~ 700 Been playing LAG all day seen him raise q6 and k8 from MP preflop. Has been a roller coaster ride all day for him. On his 3rd buyin.

Preflop: In a straddled pot preflop 5 people call around to hero in SB, Hero 10 6 , hero calls, BB Calls. (Pot 28)

Flop K 8 6 Check around

Turn A hero bets 25, v2 calls, v1 raises to 75, hero?
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01-17-2012 , 12:19 PM
Hero Calls V1 folds (Pot ~200) v2 Folds
Hero stack size ~400
V1 Stack size ~ 200

River Q

Hero Checks, v1 bets 75. Hero?

Was wondering should of I played different with raise on the turn? Do I donk bet river or do I check raise river?

Spoiler:
Hero calls flips 10 6 V1 no shows

Last edited by JKobak; 01-17-2012 at 12:35 PM. Reason: update v2 in hand after raise
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01-17-2012 , 12:31 PM
You should have waited to post results. I'm only 1 person, so you missed out on the insight of other non-grunchers.

I'm assuming v2 folded the turn?

I think you played it fine. If you lead the river, you'll lose value from his non-flush hands that will bluff (see: HH).

C/shove river -- definitely. He has $125 left in a pot that he's invested $150. And there's only one card in the deck that beats you.
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01-17-2012 , 02:22 PM
I'm not sure how loosely we should be completing a SB in a 1/2 structure (I play 1/3), but I guess with big stacks it's acceptable?

I probably just donk 1/2 PSB on the flop. A pair and flush draw has good equity and I wouldn't mind a couple of callers to build a pot. I don't like going for a check/raise cuz stacks are deep and we'll be OOP on the turn (and thus in a tough spot if we whiff).

I also donk out on the turn. Kinda tough spot when raised, IMO. With the third nuts, and V1 not betting the flop when it is checked to him, I kinda think I'm ok with going broke to him for 137 BBs. It's possible he's picked up two pair (like A8/A6) and he'll probably pay off. The difficulty is that we have another deepstack behind us who I don't think we can stack off too. Can we just call and see what V2 does, possibly perhaps being able to fold if he goes crazy? Can we possibly raise a amount that we could fold to vs V2? If so, maybe a minraise/fold? Ug.

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01-17-2012 , 02:29 PM
An "above average" player probably checks behind every showdownable hand here (even two pair) cuz they know they are rarely getting called by worse, so by checking we lose potential value from those hands. The only hands we get value from by checking is by bluffcatching bluffs, and given the turn action I just think that is highly unlikely villain is on a bluff. We've also only got a PSB left with the 2nd nuts, so we can't bet/fold. I shove and hope that villain can't fold his A / two pair / set / backed into baby flush / etc.
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01-17-2012 , 02:36 PM
Judging by the size of his stack I think this is a shove. Mostly because of the other villain. He has been spewing as you said and obviously doesn't have a strong hand or he wouldn't have just checked flop and called the turn. If you can get him to stack off here with a weak hand like Ax, 2 pair, Qhi flush draw, that would be optimal. If he is really tilted then it is possible. As for the other guy, his range is probably a bit stronger, maybe hands like AQ with Q high flush draw, things like that. A random raising on one of their first hands can often mean one of two things: its a passive player with a strong hand, or an aggressive player who plays like that normally.

I am probably shoving here to try and make massive profit from the tilted player but I know that some of the time I am going to be already beaten by the other villain (maybe 25%? His range of getting it in probably includes a lot of sets that I beat).
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01-17-2012 , 02:37 PM
Also, T6s is pretty bad in SB, easy fold pre.
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01-17-2012 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JKobak
Summary: 5th hour at this 1/2 table we have about 4 players at a 10 handed table that are playing loose and passive preflop and arent to aggressive after the flop.

Hero: Stack size ~ 500 been loosening up, pots at this table have been very big, started play TAG and have moved to more of a LAG in last hour, have no history with V1, have only lost one of about six hands at showdown.

V1: Stack size ~275 just sat down, have not history, seems like an above avg. player.

V2: Stack size ~ 700 Been playing LAG all day seen him raise q6 and k8 from MP preflop. Has been a roller coaster ride all day for him. On his 3rd buyin.

Preflop: In a straddled pot preflop 5 people call around to hero in SB, Hero 10 6 , hero calls, BB Calls. (Pot 28)

Flop K 8 6 Check around

Turn A hero bets 25, v2 calls, v1 raises to 75, hero?
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Originally Posted by Jared Kay
Judging by the size of his stack I think this is a shove. Mostly because of the other villain. He has been spewing as you said and obviously doesn't have a strong hand or he wouldn't have just checked flop and called the turn. If you can get him to stack off here with a weak hand like Ax, 2 pair, Qhi flush draw, that would be optimal. If he is really tilted then it is possible. As for the other guy, his range is probably a bit stronger, maybe hands like AQ with Q high flush draw, things like that. A random raising on one of their first hands can often mean one of two things: its a passive player with a strong hand, or an aggressive player who plays like that normally.

I am probably shoving here to try and make massive profit from the tilted player but I know that some of the time I am going to be already beaten by the other villain (maybe 25%? His range of getting it in probably includes a lot of sets that I beat).
Think you have Villain mixed up V1 raised the turn. I have no history with him. He just sat down.
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