2-5 nl at local casino

Hero $1200 6c6d MP. Lag.
Villain $800 SB. Super Rock

I raise to $15 and there is 5 callers (sb, bb, utg +2, hero, Co) to the flop including villain. $75 pot.

Flop Ah5c3d rainbow. Everyone checks.

Turn 6h.

Utg+2 bets $30. I raise to $100. CO folds. Villain sits there for a good minute looking like he was raising but just calls everyone else folds. At this point I know villain has a set but no worse than two pairs. I know he doesn't have aces cuz he 3bets with only AA and KK. Utg+2 Pushes all in for another $225. No reads on utg+2 just sat down. Pot $500. What is the optimal play? Call and shove river, min raise and shove river, or all-in?

Of villian is a super rock as you describe, I don't see how he has anything that you can't beat. He obv doesn't have AA and unlikely that he has 2x4x or 4x7x. Pocket 3s and 5s make sense, as he checked in the SB hoping to cr someones flop donk bet. The turn puts a possible straight out there, but villian assumes that since you are the PFRer, you don't have the straight either an his set of 3s or 5s is good. He might have Aces up, also. Still, I am never folding here. You have the 4th nuts, and given your description of villian, I don't see you being beat... Like ever. If he has the straight, pair the board, ftw.

If you're that sure the SB has a set or 2-pair I probably just call, and hope he follows through with his raise this time around. I wouldn't want to give him any chance to fold. I call and shove river. Shove now isn't bad, but I'd be worried about scaring him off 55/33. It's a tossup between scaring him with a 4-bet and risking a scare card chasing him off. Probably go with your gut on that one.

obviously u can't fold. maybe he gets away from the 5-6 or a-3 or a-5 if you go all in here, i don't think he had a set cuz, a set probably raises there, cuz how can you check the flop with a set to reraise people then change your mind on the turn, doable but difficult. so i might just call and go allin the river. seeing at that point its really close if he should pay you off with a-5 or not.


what there is 1035 in the pot when you bet so he is getting 4-1 to call. there are a few scared cards that could hit the river, but i think he has to call.

forget everything, i misunderstood something, im shoving, villain cant fold anything he has. We cant help it that our line is super duper strong, we have a super duper strong hand, expect villain to make errors anyway.

Call, nit calls, pot is 1k and you bet 500 (don't shove, just bet enough to get him all in) on river.

Hell, if you're lucky the nit shoves a blank river for you.

+1

I eventually decided to min raise. I felt tht villain was strong enough to call with his set and just incase scare card comes on river. After i min raise villain sits thr for a good 3 min saying how he should go all in. Andturns his cards up he has 55. And says he cant lay it down for anothr 3 min but eventually lays it down. I didnt say anything barely moved tried to stay still acting like i was scared. Wht would u guys have done to induce call?

Everyone at the table was like how can u fold tht right after he folded.

Just call turn. If u do, villain either ships turn himself, or overcalls turn and calls any river getting 3-1.

Looking at it from a nits perspective, with a bet and a raise in front of him ott he's not thinking "yay I have 555 ship the $$$$$!" He's thinking "Oh crap I have the 4th nuts. I must not be good. Fold." And he'd be right.

You shouldnt have given him the opportunity to get away. Cuz even if the river comes the 7 he can never ever fold at that point.

cool casino, that u can show and it be live.


funny thing is that he was right. minraise there is super dooper strong in that spot. cuz u r like going all in without doing it. 5-5 should still be game, but maybe some aces, a normal person can get away from. i think if u just call he calls and then has to call river cuz pot odds. **** if u go all in he might have a better chance at calling.

min raise was the worst option by far. ^ definately right, it was the strongest move by far, stronger than shoving.

just shove before nit finds an excuse to fold on some absurd river card he deems as bad for him.

every nits dream is to fold getting 3:1 on the river

100% agree with this. Would have posted it myself if I didn't just see it.

Lol!

Minraise basically screams "I have the nuts, I dare you to call me with these odds" in this spot. I would probably just flat call because if your read is right that he has a set or two pair, he's got like what, one out at the most? Plus he's much more likely to put his money in on the river facing a check-bet than he is a bet-raise-call-all in-raise turn line.

Since there's not really a scare card for you on the river, (unless he calls anyways with 55 and you see him hit quads on the river) I think it's fine for you to just flat call. All the better if you pair up on the river; the only way I shove here is if you are just absolutely certain he will never call a river bet without quads, which is kind of obscene.

555 is the 5th nuts on this board.

For all those who think raising turn is correct, put yourself in villain's shoes and ask yourself if u continue with the 5th nuts ott with a ship and a raise in front. Remember villain is a nit not a drooler.

just call.

except that vs this villain any heart, 2, 3 or any other card that villain doesn't like will likely result in a fold on the river, why not try and get the money in now?

@bold: cuz he'll fold. He's a nit and he almost folded to the first raise. If it goes bet-raise-coldcall-ship and we 4bet hes outta there.

As far as being afraid of a rivercard killing our action:

1) That doesnt matter if we lose him on the turn

2) If we just call turn he might ship himself to protect against the board getting any scarier for his hand.

3) If we just call and he overcalls he'll be so heavily invested and attached to the hand and be getting such good pot odds on the river that scarecards will likely not matter. Hes more likely to call it off there than to continue on the turn if we raise imo.

4) There are only 7 s that dont pair the board and those are the cards we're really worried about. If a non heart 2 or 4 comes off u think hes going to put a wheel in our range and fold? Doubtful. The main action killing cards for us I'd argue are the 2, 4, 7, 8, and 9 of s imo cuz they change the board in more ways than one. But one of those cards is only hitting the river about 1 in 10 times, so...

his range at this point is pretty much {33, 55, AK}, right? and he can't have AKhh. he's only continuing with 33/55 whether you raise or call.

you gotta think of the nit's mindset when holding a monster. when you're aggressive, he convinces himself he's beat. when you're passive, he convinces himself you're going to suck out on him. so call, and let him put you on a flush draw somehow, and he'll ship it for you.

cuz its possible he might some how get away from it.

if you check
only way you r not getting all his money on the river is if he quads up.

disagree


if villain puts hero on a draw he might even go all in on turn if hero calls.


obviously most people would not get rid of the 5s no matter what hero did. (percentage is highest with the minraise)

but really for trapping 2pairs and lower sets, to me there is no defense just calling.

nits don't play a-3 or a-5 a-6 suited?