Ive been getting crushed recently and have decided to take some time off and focus on and my roll is dissappearing but I am still going to study and focus hard on hands I post trying to nail every street.

1/2 NLH WITH $4 STRADDLE


Hero-BB ($300)- seen as TAG, bet a few draws hard in medium pots and got there so seen as aggressive.

Villianw-CO ($200)- loose. Very passive and stationy, will fold to heavy aggression with a weaker pair but I do not see him ever getting away from a TPMK. When he had about $100, he called by preflop raise to $15 with Q-7o with one other player, and double up through my QQ on a 7-7-4 flop.

preflop:
3 limps including villian
hero raises to $24 with KK
all folds except villian calls $24

flop($60)
10-8-6r
hero bets $50
villian calls $50

turn ($160) 10-8-6-Ar
hero ?

Is this a shove? Do we say F* it if he has an ace he has an ace. FWIW he isnt floating the flop with an ace high but could easily have A-10, A-8, A-6, and possibly A-9 and A-7. I obviously didnt like the ace but should I protect/ extract value from pair+gutshot combinations as they may call the turn way behind?

I also thought checking would get me value on the river from all 10s in his range as well as JJ or QQ, which I believe would fold to a turn shove, whereas pair+gutshots might not because hey, hes got a gutshot. I will post what I did and rest of the hand after some responses.

c/f turn, bet river if it checks through, i know hes stationy but an ace is an ace

-it hits his range hard
-he knows it hits you hard - if you were bluffing flop you got there
-these guys are stationy but generally wont call off the last of their chips with 2nd pair, just the first half

c/c is stupid imo, just give it up if he bets

If villain weren't passive, I'd say check/call this turn. Some villains might bet QQ, JJ, or even a smaller pair after you show weakness on the turn. But since he's passive, I'd just check fold. You'd have to be good 30%+ to c/c the turn, and I think he'll have aces up a huge % of the time if he suddenly shows aggression.

Btw, I'd bet $30 on the flop instead of $50, since its a pretty draw-less flop.

Nah, I shut it down. Vs. this type of player I'm checking and almost always folding to any further bets. I don't think you ever have to worry about being bluffed off the best hand here. There aren't a lot of draws and they probably all fold to a shove. Same with naked T's. Shoves are only getting called when you are crushed. I might check call vs. a bluff machine, but I think at this point there's not much more that can be done. The guy has to be a massive callbox for a shove to be good here. I check, and am checking any non King river as well, expecting the rest of the hand to be checked down.

I might consider raising bigger pre in a straddle pot. Maybe closer to $35-$40. Depends on the table.

im not shoving 125$ here, unless i hated money. c/f or c/c depending on villans tells and sizing.

Shoving doesn't accomplish anything. 2nd pair wouldn't call a shove, AK/AQ/AJ is likely to call a shove. and any 2 pair will most likely call a shove. only thing a shove does is make you lose value on 2nd pair, make them fold an OESD or a gut shot. so pretty much if he calls you're beat. And if he folds, you had him beat.

Don't shove but how did the money get in on the QQ hand? raise-reraise-ai? Just wondering because it's relevant to the hand.

And depending on villain, based on you "betting draws hard and getting there" they may perceive you as LAG and not TAG so they may be willing to call you down lighter.

As I'm posting this I keep changing my mind. Slowing down could be the best approach. But what of villain has a pair or a draw. That's why the raise should be a tad bot bigger pre. Back to the turn I would bet here and hope villain folds. He showed no aggression pre so a k can be repped in this spot.

If villain does indeed fold to heavy aggression with less than top pair, you've got to check this on the turn and hope it goes to showdown with villain having something like 10-9. Basically, look at his estimated flop call range:

87+, 10-8+, 66+

And then the turn comes an ace. If you bet, what calls you that you beat?

A stubborn 10 on the best of days. Otherwise, all tens are normally folding, all 8s are certainly folding, and any two-pair or ace is calling you.

The nice thing is since he is really passive, you will likely get to showdown for cheap, and if he bets, you can be 99 percent certain you are beat. Either way, you've made the most out of your hand if you're ahead (assuming no king hits the river) and lost the minimum if you check behind.

Ok So i ended up checking and villian quickly checks behind.
Turn: 6-8-10-A

hero checks
villian quickly checks

river($160) 6-8-10-A-8
hero...?

You can make a small value bet hoping a pair of T's thinks you're full of it, or just check again. I prefer the check. I actually don't mind the 8. If he has it, he'll bet it, so I just c/f. If he's still got a weaker pair or a busted draw he'll probably just check it down.

What Koss said, might be able to get him to pay off a small (<$50) bet with a pair of tens but I'd be surprised if he did. Checking is probably the more +EV play.

c/f again

I would c/f on turn. If it's checked through I make b/f small for value.

I might raise slightly more preflop since we're OOP, but whatever.

My initial reaction was to be smaller on this fairly dry flop, so 1/2 pottish. But then I realized this would create an awkward turn, as the pot would be $120 and his stack would be $145. I guess by betting $50 we build pot to $160 which leaves villain with $125, so an easy shove on non-scary card. So I think I'm cool with flop.

Sucky turn. I think I check/fold against a passive player. What do we do on a blank river? I guess check/folding again?

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