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12-25-2013 , 12:21 AM
2 limpers. Loose aggressive good regular raises to $50 preflop. I 3-bet to $125 in the CO with TT. He calls. Flop comes K42r. I c-bet for $150. He calls. Turn is a K. He checks. I check. River is an 8. He bets $460. Call or fold?
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12-25-2013 , 02:44 AM
pre raise size is pretty bad.. you obv want him to either come along vs your TT.. or since he's LAG put you in a difficult spot by 4betting.
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12-25-2013 , 03:09 AM
Why do you consider it "bad"? My reasoning is if I 3-bet to $150 or $160, he's not calling my 3-bet OOP with worse, and I also create less dead money when he 4-bets (you obv don't want to get it in with TT), but I can't flat because I don't want to play a 4-5 way pot with TT. I would rather 3-bet a hand like K4s to $150-$160 as a bluff than TT.
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12-25-2013 , 07:42 AM
Stacks?
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12-25-2013 , 10:54 AM
Pre sizing way too small.

River is whatever. Probably a fold due to his sizing,
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12-25-2013 , 10:56 AM
3b smaller for value and larger as a bluff is fine as long as your opponent's aren't observant enough to pick up on it.

But I think I would be much less concerned about playing a multiway pot with TTs ip against two limper and a lag that opens wide than you would.

Can you get called by worse otf? Or is your bet strictly to pick up the dead money so he doesn't get a free shot with hands like AQ/AJ?

Turn is a pretty great card for you, are you checking to possibly get some light future value from smaller pps? Or possibly to induce if there are some post flop dynamics that you didn't mention?

I can't really make up a hand he is turning into a bluff otr. If he is sophisticated enough to turn some medium strength hand into a bluff like all his small pairs, knowing that you are going to be betting the turn with Kx a lot of the time, then that is the only range of hands I can think of that we can bluff catch against.

Value range is obviously Kx, flopped sets, and a rivered boat with 88s, all of which probably play it pretty similarly. I think his value range greatly out weights his bluffing range since it would be pretty uncommon for him to play a hand like 66s or complete air like this
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12-25-2013 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AllorNuffink
Stacks?
Stacks are 100bb's at the beginning of the hand
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12-25-2013 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
3b smaller for value and larger as a bluff is fine as long as your opponent's aren't observant enough to pick up on it.

But I think I would be much less concerned about playing a multiway pot with TTs ip against two limper and a lag that opens wide than you would.

Can you get called by worse otf? Or is your bet strictly to pick up the dead money so he doesn't get a free shot with hands like AQ/AJ?

Turn is a pretty great card for you, are you checking to possibly get some light future value from smaller pps? Or possibly to induce if there are some post flop dynamics that you didn't mention?

I can't really make up a hand he is turning into a bluff otr. If he is sophisticated enough to turn some medium strength hand into a bluff like all his small pairs, knowing that you are going to be betting the turn with Kx a lot of the time, then that is the only range of hands I can think of that we can bluff catch against.

Value range is obviously Kx, flopped sets, and a rivered boat with 88s, all of which probably play it pretty similarly. I think his value range greatly out weights his bluffing range since it would be pretty uncommon for him to play a hand like 66s or complete air like this
The flop bet was "to collect dead money" and make him fold his equity share in the pot with hands that contained 1-2 over cards.

Once he called, feel like I'm unlikely to get called by worse anymore, and unlikely to get better to fold.

What confused me on the river, is he bet so big. I know that he knows I don't have a K. I also know that he knows I probably have a pair, TT-QQ or AA. So if he was value betting it, I would have thought he would have bet smaller. But if he is betting to get a better hand to fold, his bet sizing seems a lot like it was. But I could also see him sizing a value bet with Kx to look like a bluff, because I'm likely to either call or not.

Now that I think about it, he probably didn't flat AK OOP…he probably would have 4-bet, get it in. He would probably fold KJ. Maybe the only hand he could really have was KQ, or have been betting for value with a weirdly played AA or QQ.
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12-26-2013 , 08:25 PM
As played fold, but I would have rather bet turn and then probably check river. Only reason to check turn is to induce a river bluff. Yes and obv 3bet 150-175.
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12-31-2013 , 08:45 PM
I'd rather flat pre since the 2 limpers are most likely weaker players, iso-ing the good reg is cool and everything but 99% of the time stacks won't get in without a cooler or he's gonna put you into weird dumb spots like this.

As played, without some weird dynamic between the both of you or if he's known to be a frequent floater on dry boards then I think it's a pretty easy fold.
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01-02-2014 , 04:11 PM
Pre-flop 3-bet should have been larger.

Do you think he's folding for $75 more? No.

River call is questionable.
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