1/3/6 game - pretty loose fishy game

$600 - Villain - Asain loose player - He's only been at the table for 2 orbits but winning a little bit, but he's been involved in most of the hands. I'm pretty sure he bluffed one hand, but not sure cuz it didn't go to show down.

$2000 - Villain 2 - Wild player who set over set me earlier to win a big pot from me. He has hit 6 sets in this session so running well, but donking off small pots playing too many hands. He should be up a lot more imo. He ends up folding so it is what it is.

Hero $800 - Stuck $1000 - Not winning hands at show down often, and getting into too many frustrating spots. Tighest player at the table, but mostly because I keep getting dealt Q4, T4, 94 - always a 4 haha


Action has been players are opening to $20

Hero is finally dealt a hand TsTc - 7 handed

Asian villian in straddle
Villian 2 BB

LIMP
Hero $26
Villain 2 call
Asian villain call


$80~
Decent flop of 235r
I usually lead out here vs 1 player, but sometimes check vs 2 players - so i decide to check/call and possible lead good turns or check decide worse.

Check
Check
Asian bets $45
Call
Fold

$150
Ar

Check
Asian $155

Hero???

Without knowing how pre has been going, I would default to $35 pre.

Flop is good.

I highly doubt that there's a huge EV difference between calling and folding the turn, but I personally can't let it go. I would fold versus all river aggression unless we rivered a T, though.

Seems fine.

We have AA/AX in our flop X/C range. When V over bets pot on a good turn for us, I'd let it go.

Looks like aces up, 44.

Yeah, seems good man.

Djevans is the man! Some merit to flop bet so we aren’t bluffed off the winner.

Flop is a bet. Why are you giving infinite odds for 2 villains to hit overcards/bing two pairs?

I would check-raise V here. Feels like a probe bet or betting a draw.

Come on man. You know better than to post results in your OP. Also, if it's that obvious, why are you asking?

Agree with betting flop with a vulnerable overpair.

At equilibrium I assume we check range otf. Playing based off equilibrium can never be bad, obviously at LLSNL it's often not the most profitable play. I can see betting here because it's LLSNL, but I don't think checking is bad, either.

What's equilibrium in the context of this hand?

What is your plan for navigating later streets with T-T here OOP if we bet and get called in one spot and the turn is an A, Q, K, J, or 4?

I'm not too concerned about getting raised here because I think we can safely fold, but it 's typically not ideal to bloat the pot multi-way with a non-nutted hand that's unlikely to improve on future streets.

I understand wanting to charge overs and pair + draw type hands though for sure.

Ya betting the flop is good. At the time I didn't mind checking. Tough to say which is better

Confirmation or I wouldn't of made the post - and the fact that I folded a lousy turn card doesn't really change the flop part. If you were gonna remove the results you should of just left it at the flop - because that was the most important part IMO.

Ya that's why I was 50/50 on betting or checking flop. My plan was to check call flop and lead out on board pairs, and decent turns like a 789, while folding to a raise. Also if flop checks through i'm leading a lot of turn cards

If you bet and get called, it's less likely the Q, K, J helped (are they playing Q5, K5, or J5?), so you can bet out or c/c on non A or 4 turns.

By checking you have no clue whether more than half the deck (4 As, 4 Ks, 4 Qs, 4 Js, 4 4s, or any of the low cards) improved your opponents or not, and playing a guessing game like this example with half the deck.

The same $45 that was called on the turn could have been used on the flop to screen out random trash vs playing 'does V have it' on the turn with no new info.

On a dryer board or higher pair QQ+ that can be true. TT/JJ are somewhat vulnerable because there are so many J/Q/K/A combos two villains can have.

Possible for mods to edit results to put in spoiler button box?

I edited them by deleting. People can't resist clicking on spoiler buttons.

lol I notice OPs often don't bother posting results after mod deletion.

Do you recall the original result?

Hero folded turn.

$30 pre. Bet flop all day long. All day long.

To whoever said this flop is checked 100% at equilibrium: we’re playing live poker. Did you plug live poker ranges into a solver to reach this conclusion?

I would have bet flop. I’d prefer to check a hand like AA or KK which isn’t as vulnerable to overcards.

Fold turn.

Grunch, I would c/r the flop to like 115-120 though prob would have bet out 25-30 on the flop...V cant really go too buck wild since you have Ax4x and prob most set combos, V can stab decently liberally when checked to since your tighter range will have lots of overcards ....
turn is pretty bad as V prob has a bunch of Ax that stab the flop on the turn I just give up to a PSB and find a better spot...you should have better pairs and some Ax that will defend and maybe some trapped sets and pocket 44...

So we're the SB? I just so hate playing OOP deep to Villains that may be tricky postflop, and really the only flop we're in love with seeing all the way to the river is one with a T on it. So I think all options are open preflop. The more of a handle we have on these guys, the more we can just raise biggish like we've done, although that does create a big pot OOP; against ABC face up / or short villains, who cares, but otherwise, it is something I begin caring more and more about. We could consider just a small juicing raise (to make it easier to play for big stacks if we hit). We could also just limp in and see what happens.

Against face up ABC players, I probably mostly go towards a bet/foldy route. But against trickier more aware villains, I'm fine with our check/calling route.

Unfortunate turn, but I think I'm just check/folding to this one.

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