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11-18-2022 , 06:19 AM

Kenji

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 416

9max LNL200
Eff. stack 200

Hero opens 10 from UTG w/ AQo and gets 4 caller

Pot 50
Flop Q84 hh
Hero cbets 25 and gets 3 caller

Pot 150
Turn Tdd
Hero shoves 165 ...

... and wonders if this is overplayed given that he has still 3 opponents? I dont see any other betsize, because it commits me and does not protect against flushdraws. When I check only better stuffs bets, so I guess I have to x/f, which seems underplayed/odd to me.

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11-18-2022 , 06:39 AM

Tilt4Deception

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Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 111

Wow this is ugly. Any reads on opponents?

Would also be interesting to know if the blinds are among the callers to account for 2 pairs.

Versus reasonable opponents it's virtual impossible to get called by worse on the turn so I guess I don't like it without further information. If you could discount sets, cause some players might raise the flop or bad players continue worse this might shift.

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11-18-2022 , 06:55 AM

larry the legend

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,500

I like bigger on flop multiway OOP. You need to protect your hand a bit with that many players. $35-$40.

$25 invites anyone with a piece to continue and you cant have that. Other option is to check call all streets until you see one of Vs raise or bet huge

If you always get 4 callers up your preflop bet size to $13-15

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11-18-2022 , 08:21 AM

Kenji

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 416

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Originally Posted by Tilt4Deception

Any reads on opponents?

Nah, it was your standard loose passiv table, not much 3betting/raising going on. Heros image is tag.

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11-18-2022 , 09:54 AM

davomalvolio

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,082

If you’re betting this flop for value you need to use a much larger sizing.

As played, I agree with you that shoving the Turn is the best play. You’re probably beat by at least one of them most of the time, but there’s no guarantee, and shoving now at least denies everyone equity and will occasionally get called by worse (QJ, flush draws from guys who suck at math, etc).

I’m not check-folding TPTK in a game like this unless we’re much deeper than this. And check-fold is really the only other option at this depth.

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11-18-2022 , 11:16 AM

QuadJ

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,288

Knowing nothing of villains I would rather slow down and try to see who has the best hand. Unless opponents are bad trying to play for stacks with one pair is losing in the long run. The deciding factor here is that the flop is fairly dry. You can figure one for a flush draw and one for a worse QX but what is the 3rd guy calling with?

This is a bad situation. The multiple callers preflop has made SPR small and you did flop TPTK. With one caller on the flop I would say you have to go for it and with 2 I would say it's probably about the same EV either way. With 3 both options are bad. Checking turn seems to be the least bad option.

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11-19-2022 , 03:18 AM

Stupidbanana

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,001

We have no room to maneuver at this depth OOP with TPTK. All my money goes in. Usually this multiway you'll lose to a flopped set or some weird 2p 1/4 or so times and the rest of the time you'll scoop a nice pot. Just my experience.

edit: to people saying 'slow down' or 'x eval' this is just results oriented thinking. Its so hard to have a set or 2p here that if they do they deserve your money just for being that lucky.

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11-19-2022 , 02:08 PM

donkatruck

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,999

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana

If you run AQo no heart on this board vs. 4 top 40% hands AQ has about 35% equity, much more than everybody else, but much less than 50%. The problem being we are OOP. It's a tough spot, but its not hard to up against better. In fact it's likely.

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