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Tough spot in 1/2 nl, what is my line? Tough spot in 1/2 nl, what is my line?

01-15-2011 , 01:51 PM
Villain 1 in c/o and been at table for 1 orbit and doubled up on first hand
Villain 2 is in sb and has pushed numerous times with very weak holdings
Hero in bb and sort of steaming after losing w/ 2 pr to rr flush

V1 (600). V2(80) Hero(500)

Everyone calls for $2 to V2 in sb who raises to $15
Hero w/ AQ raise to $75 to isolate.
Folds around to V1 who now pushes all in.
V2 calls
Hero?
I know I am ahead of v2's range most of the time, but V1's limp/push sort of confuses me. The only hands I can put him on are AK, TT+.
Thanks in advance.
Spoiler:
V1 tables AK, flop come AKQ rag turn rag river. V2 tables TJ for broadway and main pot, V2 wins larger side pot with better 2 pair.
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01-15-2011 , 01:56 PM
Haven't looked at results. Raise to $45 preflop instead of $75.

If villain 1 smooth calls, then make a note that he's either setting a bizarre trap or he's a fish. Zero hands are worth limping, then calling a raise and reraise.

If everyone folds and villain 2 shoves, call. If villain 2 just calls, call a flop shove no matter what and shove any flop if villain checks.

As played, fold.
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01-15-2011 , 02:02 PM
Keep in mind, V2's call put him all in as played.
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01-15-2011 , 02:03 PM
I would have just called the preflop raise and not 3bet.

As played, you have to fold, you have just been limp/raised in 1/2, this can only mean 3 things, AA, KK, or AK, so your drawing dead fold.
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01-15-2011 , 02:04 PM
So you were in the BB right? Big stack limps, Small stack raises to $15, you raise to 75, big stack shoves, small stack calls, correct?

If so, call w/ AA or KK only.
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01-15-2011 , 02:04 PM
Your 3bet is huge. Lets tone that 60 since we have position on the SB.

As played fold preflop. Villain has AK a ton here and shows up with TT or JJ sometimes too. Not to mention the raise is massive. $425 into a $90 pot.
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01-15-2011 , 02:07 PM
Thanks guys, I knew I was behind but just could't get past the dead money in the pot. I knew it was a poor call, another spewed pot. LOL
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01-15-2011 , 02:07 PM
I don't like the size of your 3-bet. Well, I kind of do, because I would totally love to get it all-in pre vs. V2's range.

If V1 is smart then he knows what you are trying to do, and can +EV get it in vs. V2 with a wide range becuase of all the dead money. If it was me the 3-bet size would give away hand strength. Because I'm raising big with AK/JJ type hands, and going smaller with AA/KK trying to bring someone else along. So from V1's seat it may look like you have strong but not premium holding and are looking to see 5-cards heads up vs. V2. With all his FE he can basically push a range that's 2:1 against V2, which is wide as all hell.

Short answer, safe play is fold. +EV play may very well be to gammmbooool.

How did V1 double up. We really need every piece of information on V1 to get an idea how to play this. I probably fold in realtime looking down at the $$$, but many from here I just feel like this is a good spot to gamble it up.
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01-15-2011 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss

How did V1 double up. We really need every piece of information on V1 to get an idea how to play this. I probably fold in realtime looking down at the $$$, but many from here I just feel like this is a good spot to gamble it up.
He double by riveting a paired board for 2 pr with his AA vs a made 2 pr. But I have played with him before and know him to be a strong but very aground player.

Thanks again guys, I really appreciate your help.
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01-15-2011 , 02:13 PM
I'm never calling a limp reraise with AQs. When you have position, see a flop with your mediocre hand. No need to get frisky, its just not worth it. Lol at guy having AK.

Also you wanted to isolate v2 but he only has 80 to start the hand. So why raise to 75. Your reads are off.
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01-15-2011 , 02:16 PM
why on earth would you make it 75, 30-35 puts v2 in a push/fold spot and allows you to easily get away if anyone else perks up, it also looks weaker and gives v2 the illusion of fold equity, meaning he will push lighter.

not going to comment on as played, if you made it 35 and he pushed this is an easy fold, however you making it 75 could have easily generated light shoves from hands we flip with and its definitely added a lot of dead money so w/e, atleast u can see his hand if u fold.

also making it 35, getting some calls and having v2 push allows you to punish everyone else with a 5bet and collect a lot of dead money too
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01-15-2011 , 02:22 PM
Yep, looks like the 75 rr was too extreme, Ionia what I was thinking was 75 will keep e everyone else out. When it didn't, I should have found the fold button.
I also see posting in this forum is gold, pure gold Jerry!
Thanks again guys.
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01-16-2011 , 10:26 AM
Not read any previous replies.
I think the 3 bet isolation bet is good here but $55 would have isolated and against V2 you can just get it all in on the flop regardless.
However its a weird line by V1 and i think you have to fold.
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