I'm playing at Maryland live and a few players at the table are super loose. I'm not talking about calling a 5x raise with pocket 55's loose. I'm talking 2 players at the table have called $30 preflop with Ax offsuit multiple times loose.

I have been playing ABC. I haven't been too active but the table sees me as a winning player. I have about $700

Villian is an older guy in his 40's or 50 's. He has been playing like your typical calling station donk. The crazy thing is, is that his hands have been hitting like crazy. He's calling 5x raises with Q 4 offsuit and flopping 2 pair multiple times and has felted half of the table. He will call you down to the river with any hand the could possibly improve and never folds any pocket pair. He has over 1k.

The game is 10 handed and I'm in the SB with two red QQ's. Villian limps in. Another player in mid position raises to 10. 3 players call and it's my action. I raise to 35. Villian calls rest of the table folds. It's heads up

Flop is 4♠ 4♥ 5♠ (pot $102)

I lead out with $55. Villian calls.

Turn is a 9 ♥ ( pot is $212)

Hero?


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How tricky is V? He's hitting everything. Does he bet when he has it or check raise? Does he slow play or play fast? If he's not tricky, bet the turn. If he's been check raising, then check behind and let him bluff the river. Given description of V, he could easily have a hand with a 4, but since he's calling any two cards, that's only a small part of his range. He could call your flop bet with A5, 76, 43, a mid pair, two rogue over cards, etc.
if he's calling down with everything but not check raising, I'm firing bigger OTF and pretty big OTT, possibly looking to GII on the river. Eff stacks are 700 and you raised to 35 pre, pot about 100. You fired 55 OTF. Given that he's a total station, more like 85 would be good.
As played, pot is 210, so bet 175.
If you'd played it a little bigger, pot would be more like 270, so you could bet 220-250.
With QQ, this flop, this opponent as described, I'm ok getting it in. You rate to be ahead much of the time.
The big question is: does he bet when he's got it or does he just call everything down? Would he bet a 4? If he would bet a strong hand but check call with only hopes and dreams, you have to make big value bets against him.

more pre .. at least 50$

more otf .. 4/5 Pot

as played (and according to reads):

bet turn fast without using small chips 150-200

bet river 400

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side info:
1. Potsize won`t matter to this kind of villain. Get money in there!
2. play very tight on these kinda tables and bet very big, when you have it.
3. gg

How is villain reacting to big bets?

On that flop, against this villain I'd be apt to over bet the pot. If he calls I'm full potting or over betting the turn.

When we over bet the pot and he raises us we can probably find a fold.

I'm fine with the pre flop sizing. There's no way to raise big enough to set up an SPR low enough to get ai on any board, so don't even try, just go for fat value like you did. I'm just taking a bet/bet/bet line. If he raises and you need to evaluate, he isn't turning any made hands into a bluff, and probably only starts bluffing with draws if they completely miss otr.

Which Q's do you have? QcQd would be amazing for RIO opportunities. I'm betting $100-$125.

Well .. by raising to 50 or more (after thinking about it, I would make it 70 .. raiser + 3 callers), it is less likely to play a pot with more than villain. OP got lucky, to get HU vs the worst player, but normally the raiser and callers have to good of a price to fold even their weakest holdings in this spot ..

If guys are making decisions based on preflop pot odds you don't need to worry about much.

What? In most life games you don`t fold out anyone after the limp/call. I would rather take it down pre than play a pot with more than two villains OOP.

If you'd rather take it down pre, the cards don't matter. So typically after a raise to $10 and 3 calls, you raise to $70 with rags as a steal?



You'll see that the (3x + 1*limper) doesn't work when you're 3-betting. Over limps it's okay, when you're 3-betting you end up just raising to so much that only better plays back at you. A guy limped $10 and now you want to raise to $70, for the guy who called $10, what hands is he calling an extra $60 for? Way more hands that beat QQ than lose to QQ.

First off. In this type of game that sized raise is just going to get called by everyone. You should make it at least 50 or more and get called by one or two players as opposed to the 4-5 that you will get called with with a small bet.

Flop : pot sized bet
Turn: pot sized bet

You are way way ahead of his range. And if he's going to proceed with garbage, value bet the **** out of him. He will stack off super light in general. Epically now that he's been hitting.

It's almost pointless to try to put guys thine this on hands when they call so wide. Just put money in with a strong range and hold on for the ride.

Masta--

This is a rare situation where the massive 3bet is for value. Typically you 3b smaller, but V is willing to call much larger bets so it's incorrect not to bet bigger. Also with these types of players catching hands at the table, usually the way the rest of the table adjusts is by calling the 3 bets and trying to hit big in the flop to finally have a hand to go at the crazy lucky guy. So you have another reason to 3 bet larger than normally to thin the herd.

Masta--

Uhm .. You should never steal at these kind of table. Super easy value 3bet to thin the field.

The most likely scenario after 3! to 35$ is getting called by everyone who put in the 10$. That sucks and you have to c/f on most flops ..

Make it at least 60 pre-flop. You want to be heads-up against one of those calling stations. With the way you describe your table, I'm actually quite surprised that not everybody called your raise to 35.

You should have given us information about how he played his earlier 2p+ hands, which should be a deciding factor in how to proceed from here. I agree with Dutchstreetfish's first response itt.

How does villain play when checked to?

Depending on how aggressive he is IP (not sure how he played previous hands), I might be inclined to check raise on flop for value.

No .. these spots aren't there to get tricky vs bad players .. It`s a bet big and get payed spot.

His most likely holding - if he continues is a two pair hand, that we beat. Betting big OTF is a must here, as he won`t fold anything with SD-Value ..

From what I picked up on there was no method to his madness. He liked to bet $25 on the flop no matter is he had something or not. It was always $25 too, even if there was only $10 in the pot.

I agree with you on bet sizing, What I have picked up on is a lot of fishy 1/2 guys are on a draw 90% of the time and have no idea about pot odds or value and will call any bet. I have started pushing on the turn because they usually call. I have played around with the sizing you described and I feel like im loosing value by not GII on the turn on a draw because when their draw misses they are never calling the flop.

He calls any bet no matter the size. He has been chugging down beers and says it has been helping him so he doesn't care.

I had queens so no redraw. He liked to GII on his draws so I had a feeling it could be coming.

That's not a thing. Value bets want calls. Bluffs want folds. You can't value bet looking to force folds.

And just because the V is a calling station doesn't mean his range is always inelastic, saying he'll call $60 more with plenty of worse hands is a guess, not a fact because he's described as a station.

Raise more pre - make it $70 pre. If he's not folding pre, let's get as much money in as we can.

Bet more OTF. A half pot bet is awful on this board versus a station.

Bet the turn, the 9 changes nothing.

This guy is a station, let's take him to value town.

$60 pre

Reading everyone's comments about betting more pre, I definitely see why to bet more to get more value and to get Villian head ups. What I have seen at the table is that most players will call any kind of suited connectors and suited cards for $10 (at 1/2). Reraising to $35 usually thins the field to one or two players. I am afraid that betting $50-75 will lose everyone and I don't get much value out of my hand range that I know dominates everyone who called me. I will test it out and see how it goes.

As played I went all in on the turn. I put him on a draw, maybe a small pair or a 5.
He calls.
River is brick.
He shows A 4 offsuit.

Do you guys think this was just a cooler or should I have bet pot sized on the turn and folded to a 3 bet?

Did you overbet shove close to 600$ OTT for real?

You can bet fold safely with your stack imo, how passive is V? This is very important. baluga theorem goes out the window in a lot of games but in a classic live 1-2nl it doesn't.

If he just calls then shove river or c/c if he is aggro.

I wasn't talking about draws. If you didn't have the Qs or Qh in your hand, and V was chasing a flush, his odds aren't as good as he thinks because when you boat he hits his flush.

You shoved $610 eff into $212?

Betting 3x the pot with 1 pair isn't a cooler. It's lighting money on fire.

I'd bet/eval. If he shoves I'd lean towards him having a draw, guys don't know what to do with draws so they leave no action by shoving. If he raised smaller than a shove that's usually indicative of a made hand.

Lol yea I did. Like I said he was a calling station and I put him on a draw. So I wanted to get it in when I knew he was drawing.


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