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Hero (5000): Hyper aggressive image. Has been seen doing a lot of aggressive plays.
V1 MP (3800): He likes to directly bet when he has a big hand. I've seen him directly shove after a raise with KQ in a board 9TJ when the other had Q8. I've also seen him lead into the raiser with top 2 pair and other strong hands
V2 SB(920): Calling station
V3 BB (750): Passive player

OTH
Blinds 10-20
V1 limps. I raise to 120 with QQ, V2 calls, V3 calls and V1 calls

Flop (480): QJ8

V2 bets out 100, V3 calls, V1 raises to 300. I decide to raise to 1050.
V2 goes all in (920), v3 goes all in (750) and V1 thinks for a good moment and decides to go all in over the top to 3500.

For the way that V1 has been playing, I'm 80% certain that he has a flopped straight. The question is now about odds. There is 7000 in the pot and I have to call 2630 to enter the pot

The thing here is, I'm really sure that V1 has T9 for the straight and one of the other guys have some type of inside straight draw, or some type of 2 pair hands. They are taking outs from me. Should I still call?

Find out how much equity you need to call, then estimate how frequently you make your hand including discounted outs.

My preferred method of calculating the equity requirement is to calculate the fraction of the total pot our call represents. Normally to get an exact answer you'd have to account for side pots involved but in this case your equity in the side pots should be the same as your main pot equity so that doesn't need to be considered.

For estimating equity off the table just use Equilab and plug in your hand and range estimates for opponents. On the table you can use the rule of 4&2 or whatever it's called.

See how far you can get on your own and I'll break it down further if you get stuck.

Don't include results, even in a spoiler, as people can't resist reading them and then it biases their advice. I'm going to delete them as soon as I've answered, but I have to read them to do that, so not yet.

Open bigger after a limper in EP with an aggro image.

AP, you need 28% overall equity to call. That equity can be distributed in variours ways between the main and the side, which can make for some confusing math, but it's hard to imagine a scenario that you don't have that much overall, with so much of the pot being HU. Even if V1 shows you T9, you have 34.87% equity against that HU in a vacuum. Now yes, the other Vs could have some of your outs, but you really have to massage it to make this a losing call.

I gave a pretty much worst case scenario where V1 has all the T9 combos, and just two other combos, one of top 2p and one of a set of Js, and the other two Vs are full of hands that take your outs (88, 89, JT, QJ, AQ), and even then you 27.43% equity, or almost enough to call. Give V just one more combo of JJ and you're there.

I don't think I've ever folded a set on any flop, let alone top set, and I suspect never folding is close enough to optimal. You have reasonable equity against any draw

If you're good enough to be profitably able to know when to fold top set and when not to, good for you, as for me I'm always getting my money in.

Could we consider just flatting the flop raise? There’s 16 combos of T9 and we heavily block other value combos V1 could be putting a raise in with.


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The value combos that raise with that action that doesn't include T9 should be sets only, so no hero does not really block non straight value combos.

QJ/Q8s come to mind as value combos and I assume someone who open limps is bad enough to have QJo and Q8s unless told otherwise. Plus most people raise Jacks and usually raise 8s first in.


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Never folding here with a LAG rep. If you happened to fold, never show your hand so people can see you what you could fold with pressure. If someone has to know, tell them TP was no good.

Out of interest has anyone ever folded top set on the flop ever at low stakes?

I don't think I've even done it even on a monotone board.

You’d much rather have bottom or middle set here.

+1 to Garick.

Sigh snap call. It’s not really a trad. flop raise from V1 considering you can treat the donk as a check.

How would bottom or middle set be better?

call. you would be surprised at the amount of times the guy who has to have the nuts doesnt. and you have good odds to call. and there is enough other cards that could be in hands that arent bad for you.