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06-14-2018 , 03:50 PM

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AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Actually they are 50/50 combinatorically (48 apiece). And against 90%+ of the population, they aren't betting any of these for you.

The PP's are 45 because we have an 8 in our hand. Again, you're not playing against an unknown, so the fact that "90% of the player pool does/doesn't do X" is not relevant.

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06-14-2018 , 03:52 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

The PP's are 45 because we have an 8 in our hand. Again, you're not playing against an unknown, so the fact that "90% of the player pool does/doesn't do X" is not relevant.

"Player to my left has been caught bluffing and splashing around as soon as he sat down. He looks anxious and excited to play."

The above is what you are basing your play on?

I think we need to let this one go and just agree to disagree.

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06-14-2018 , 03:53 PM

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AllTheCheese

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No...Hero bets again! If as you say SO much of v's range had overcards to the 7, then we may get value from KT/QT/JT/T9 etc.

You think he's calling 25 on the flop with random Tx hands? Ok then I guess bet away. My thinking is that we make more value from his airball hands (most of his range) by checking and either letting him bluff or potentially catch a piece.

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06-14-2018 , 03:58 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

You think he's calling 25 on the flop with random Tx hands? Ok then I guess bet away. My thinking is that we make more value from his airball hands (i.e. the clear majority of his range) by checking and either letting him bluff or potentially catch a piece.

HU maybe I could see it...not 3 way. And again, I think the value you potentially lose by checking and small pairs folding to turn bet from you (because I really think the flop is where you get the loosest action) is worth far more than the parlay of hoping a good card comes on the turn that will allow V to call a bigger turn bet (K/Q/J mostly, T sometimes).

And I really dont think we have that strong a read on this guy from the OP.

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06-14-2018 , 05:36 PM

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setintostraight

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Of course we don't have a read. We have a lol-live-read, which is just about as useful as the brand of the sunglasses they're wearing or how many inches of asscrack you saw when they stood up to take a walk from the table.

I think as the PFR, I'm betting here quite often. Although in my games, I just limp this pre and call any reasonable preflop bet to flush mine.

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06-14-2018 , 09:59 PM

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El Diablo

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dime,

I'm with ATC and think this was good all the way until you called the shove.

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06-14-2018 , 11:58 PM

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jc315

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one thing to remember vs big overbets is that you really dont have to call often at all.

when you also compound this concept with the fact that LLSNL villains will more likely to be unbalanced in their overbetting (and much more weighted toward value than bluffs), it should make you realize that you have to call even less.

i fold. and lol at the guy who said fold turn earlier

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06-15-2018 , 02:00 PM

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setintostraight

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So what did V have, TT?

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06-15-2018 , 02:39 PM

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dimeetrees

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Originally Posted by setintostraight

So what did V have, TT?

Yes sir.

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