Game has been going a few hours, playing loose passive with a lot of calling pre. Both Vs are loose passive. 290 effective 1/3.

UTG straddle to 6, one call, Hero makes it 20 with KQo from HJ. V1 quiet passive player calls SB, BB calls, V2 calls UTG, limper calls, 5-ways.

Flop 100 - Q 9 7r

All four check to H who bets 40.

V1 calls SB, V2 calls UTG.

Turn 220 - Q 9 7 7 two spades

Checks to hero...

Now this is the kind of pots I find myself into from time to time. A spot where you are way ahead of every single players range by a mile but collectively fighting off an army of ants you arent. Any one of those guys can have a 7. I would check and pray for a cheap showdown on the river. I would rather call a bet of $100 and bluff catch than value own myself vs 3 players.

Any bet larger than $100 vs loose passive and you are probably crushed

Yea thanks. I find myself in this situation a lot. Playing snug and then opening for larger sizings and still getting it 5 ways, flop pots of 1-200$ and Ive got an SPR of about 1-1.5 and a very good but not premium hand. I'm amazed at what I see people with at showdown...in this example 56o, 56s, any spades, random AQ that didnt 3 bet pre...

Exactly. Just a complete crapshoot. The only way to navigate it is to get bit a few times and realize that your hand is similar strength to second pair vs one opponent. I probably still bet it for the sizing you did on the flop to hope tofold out a few hands with remaining equity and then shut it down on the turn and evaluate river. Too many Vs are still interested

Left with a slightly > PSB left. Turn 7 more than likely doesn't change anything. V1 range would be a key decision point as to whether to bet or check.

Sounds like he wouldn't 3B AQ, maybe not even KK? If true, might lean X back, otherwise I like $70/fold to value worse QX/JT hands.

Result:

I just overlimp and evaluate from the HJ (especially with a UTG straddle as there are even more behind us yet to react) but that's my style. The more you are comfortable / fistpumping about the preflop result, the more cool you are with raising; I think the preflop result is almost the nut low so I avoid it.

SPR is lol 2.7 which means stacks are going to be in play almost immediately, unless we're also cool with letting draws draw for almost nothing in a hugenormous pot. But of course we also gave 4 opponents awesome 19:1 IO preflop so we're not exactly pumped about committing either. Again, I avoid this like the plague, but that's me.

Anyhoo, I typically aim on the side of avoiding the big mistake of somehow not getting in stacks here when behind (although this does invite the huge mistake of letting draws get there for relatively cheap, which you could argue is just as big a mistake). So I'm cool with our smallish flop bet.

And even in spite of attempting to pot control with a smallish flop bet, we still find ourselves with just a PSB left for the turn. I mean, I think we just have to lie in the preflop bed we made here. No one should have a 7x and there's only one 77 combo, so I guess that's good. There are worse Qx (although obviously AQ is always in play). Someone always has JT in a multiway pot. I guess shove and live with results at this point.

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Always a different perspective, thanks for the reply

Both Vs are loose passive

For this reason 100% check back turn and be willing to fold to a sizable river bet call a smaller/block bet. And if checked back on river against described Vs you can bet/fold small for value on river.

Check back turn and evaluate river. You can use your position here. If the river is blank and the action is SB bet, UTG raise (or even big bet, call), you have a trivially easy fold. If you face SB small bet, UTG fold, find a reluctant call OTR. But the risk to you in allowing a free card on the turn is minimal. A is a bad card. Spade is kinda bad but not too bad.

The flop bet is way too small. Straight draws and 9x/7x got a good price against you. Qx and JT would definitely pay more to see that turn, as well.

If you can't feel good about committing on this flop why are you raising a straddle pot? You're only 50bb deep.