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10-10-2010 , 05:16 AM

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

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Get Jd Jh in the SB ... Bunch of limpers, so I raise to $17. Get one caller.

Flop comes 6d 3d 6h. I lead out for $35.

Turn is a crappy card - Kd. I lead out again, this time for $55. (not enough probably). Opponent raises to $150.

A few things on the opponent: He was drunk; very drunk. I had played with him before and I was pretty excited to see him sit at my table. Guy is beyond LAG. He loves to put chips in the middle to bluff. Just absolutely stone-cold loves to bluff. I've seen him go broke with bottom pair before, etc.

Eff stacks were about $350. I had him covered.

Fold, call or raise here?

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10-10-2010 , 06:13 AM

kayzeesuns

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 74

I would fold
he could definitely have a crappy K or 6

your hand is only good vs a bluff. Even if he bluffs alot you still don't want to risk your entire stack to find out whether he's bluffing or not

there's always a better opportunity

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10-10-2010 , 06:43 AM

ty71087

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hmm tough spot with not enough info. I think you gotta fold based on what you have shown.

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10-10-2010 , 09:00 AM

2OutsNoProb

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,991

Rough spot.
Hand was played fine.
You have to grunch and fold the turn.
He may be drunk but it's not hard for him to have 6x/Kx/flushes here.

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10-10-2010 , 09:06 AM

schlep

adept

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 808

Turn looks like a good opportunity to push you off your hand, you bet weak you don´t have a K or a 6 from villians perspective. If you´re not stacking off on this turn don´t bet weak to induce a bluff.

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10-10-2010 , 09:38 AM

grindme

adept

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 746

horrible turn.

easy fold.

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10-10-2010 , 09:45 AM

wafflehouse1

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,268

Fold. If he is super LAG any K or two diamonds is def in his range. Also A6 is possible or a suited K6. Maybe c/c turn c/shove turn if you are willing to stack but I agree that fold wait for a better spot is the way to play this one based on info.

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10-10-2010 , 10:27 AM

Cbarton

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,304

It would have been okay to check the turn. He would not bet so much if he did bet and either way, (if he bets or checks) checking would have been okay.

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10-10-2010 , 01:39 PM

Sebastes Pinneger

adept

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Originally Posted by schlep

If you´re not stacking off on this turn don´t bet weak to induce a bluff.

+1

Check Fold is better than Bet Fold with this very bad Turn card.

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10-10-2010 , 04:06 PM

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papagavin

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,628

If he really 3 outered you ott then so be it imo but I can't see how he could call the flop with a naked K. I'd probably call then c/c river and allow him to bluff.

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10-10-2010 , 04:15 PM

#11

ThinValueFold

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I check-fold the turn.

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10-10-2010 , 04:37 PM

#12

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

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Originally Posted by Cbarton

It would have been okay to check the turn. He would not bet so much if he did bet and either way, (if he bets or checks) checking would have been okay.

I think he still would have bet at least $75 ... He liked to put a lot of chips in play.

I folded, but wished I would have called or raised ... Sometimes, you get bluffed, though, and wait for a better spot, which I got when, after he got whittled down to about $100 came when I had KK and he 3-bet me all-in with Q5o.

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10-10-2010 , 10:45 PM

#13

donkeyballz

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

I think you made the right decision. Even though he is a lag you narrow his range down a lot by double barreling. He would have to be making an insane move for you to be ahead here. His raise is most likely for value.

Had you seen this guy make any bluffs after someone had shown 2 or 3 streets of aggression? Had he made any moves with air on dry boards like this one? If not, you can easily fold knowing you were behind. This makes no sense as a bluff. I actually think you saved yourself a lot of money by bet/folding the turn.

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10-10-2010 , 10:51 PM

#14

JMurder3

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 53,649

Just wanted to point out that this thread title is exceptionally vague as pretty much every thread is going to be requesting the views of others on a hand.

In the future, please make sure the title reflects the stakes & something about the hand contained within. Thx!

From the posting guidelines:

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* Use a good descriptive title, which should include the stakes you are playing as well as some indication of the situation or decision you want to discuss

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10-11-2010 , 05:03 AM

#15

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Originally Posted by donkeyballz

Yeah, the guy had absolutely no problem using aggression ... didn't matter if the other players were passive or aggressive.

I kind of wish I'd have called to see the river. IDK. Felt like I gave money away, but I even said I'd find a better spot to play for stacks against him (and I did. unfortunately he had a much smaller stack at that point).

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10-11-2010 , 10:44 AM

#16

bwslim69

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Originally Posted by ThinValueFold

I check-fold the turn.

This

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10-11-2010 , 10:48 AM

#17

Cbarton

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

I think he still would have bet at least $75 ... He liked to put a lot of chips in play.

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If he was drunk and that bad/bluffy I would way overbet the flop or wait for another spot which it sounded like you did.

I would have watched him and see if he bluffed every time and then play accordingly.

I would not call the turn had you checked if he is not afraid to bluff the river. Against some players that slow down when called, it is okay to call the turn.

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10-11-2010 , 01:16 PM

#18

BustedNuts16

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,516

yea he could have been floating you with AK or KQ even KJ here

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10-11-2010 , 03:57 PM

#19

AintNoLimit

Coach live/online NLHE

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,399

check turn to induce bluff. Betting turn has no plan whatsoever.

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