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Tahoe 2/3 w/AJ suited Tahoe 2/3 w/AJ suited

10-30-2015 , 02:12 PM
In Tahoe for the Circuit event, 2/3 NL, who's players are (unfortunately) not as bad as at my home cardroom. They aren't exactly killers, but not droolers either, and I've been running bad all day. Seven players dealt in, Villain starts with $135, I cover.

Villain limps from EP, another caller, I raise it to $15 (standard for this table) on the button with AJhh. SB calls, Villain calls, other limper calls, 4 to the flop.

$60 in the pot, flop is 2h 3h Qd. SB checks, Villain donks $40, folds to me. I don't have direct pot odds to call. I might have implied odds so I call. Maybe I should have shoved.

$140 in the pot. Turn is a blank, Villain shoves his last $80. I'm frustrated and pissed at my all-day runbad, tired and ready for bed so I call. I know turn decision was bad, looking for feedback on flop.

Preflop was standard for this table/casino/crowd and would only have changed things if I made a gross overbet to win $14 in blinds and limps.
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10-30-2015 , 02:28 PM
Stakes so high you might be in the wrong forum
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10-30-2015 , 03:30 PM
I minraise the flop, so that if SB calls and villain shoves, you could overshove.
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10-30-2015 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by UCDLaCrosse
Stakes so high you might be in the wrong forum
Damn laptop touch pads.

Yes, obv meant for Live NL Low Stakes. If a mod would move, I'd much appreciate it.
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11-02-2015 , 02:13 PM
I know you say $15 is the "standard" raise, but how many people we're standardly seeing a flop? After 2 limpers, a $15 raise has zero chance at narrowing the field at my table, so I'd raise more.

SPR is like 2 against this guy and we have nut flush draw / overcard / backdoor straight draw plus probably some semblance of FE, or the ~nuts as I like to call it. I shove the flop.

The turn we don't have the odds to call, so I fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-02-2015 , 03:55 PM
Raise more pre. I don't care if $15 is standard for the table, you already have two limpers, and we're raising for value. AP, flop might be the easiest shove in the world.
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11-02-2015 , 04:35 PM
Make it ~$20-24 pre.

Raise flop and gii against short V seems better here by a mile
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11-02-2015 , 04:38 PM
Shoving flop. Ap idk I guess fold.
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11-02-2015 , 05:25 PM
Preflop is a shade small for me, but it's fine. Big mistake is not shoving the flop. Even if he folds 0% of the time, you have enough equity against a range of sets and top pairs, and sometimes he folds or has a worse flush draw and you get lots of money.
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11-05-2015 , 01:37 AM
When I say $15 was standard, that was standard for the table with 2 limpers. Standard in every way.

I generally don't open raise non-standard amounts for the game, and I really don't like raising different amounts based on my cards.
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11-05-2015 , 06:57 AM
Raise flop; hop on the variance train.
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11-05-2015 , 07:59 AM
Watch the short stacks, they are always gonna be shoving on you. First clue was when he called >10% of his stack pre. Agree flop is shove or fold; don't value-own yourself, get stacks in while you're ahead. If you are. Only thing that makes me hesitate is, what his limp/call/donk-half-stack range is.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

23,760 games 0.000 secs 4,752,000 games/sec

Board: 2h 3h Qd

Hand 0: 40.194% { AhJh }
Hand 1: 59.806% { 33-22, KhQh, QhJh, QhTh, KQo, QJo }

That range happens to be break-even relative to a shove OTF. No idea if this range is valid for this villain. I wouldn't limp-call QJo short stacked, but I'm not him.

Last edited by AbqDave; 11-05-2015 at 08:09 AM.
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11-05-2015 , 05:01 PM
+1 to raise more pre and shove flop. Plenty of good analysis already described above
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11-05-2015 , 05:34 PM
With 45bbs there isnt much room to micro. If we assume villain never folds a queen, flop raise or fold yield about same equity. If you are solid and he might fold a queen, raising would be best. If his donks are set heavy then fold. I hate the call.
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11-06-2015 , 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Raise flop; hop on the variance train.
I prefer to think of it as a variance roller coaster. But on this trip the coaster only went down, never up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AbqDave
Watch the short stacks, they are always gonna be shoving on you. First clue was when he called >10% of his stack pre. Agree flop is shove or fold; don't value-own yourself, get stacks in while you're ahead. If you are. Only thing that makes me hesitate is, what his limp/call/donk-half-stack range is.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

23,760 games 0.000 secs 4,752,000 games/sec

Board: 2h 3h Qd

Hand 0: 40.194% { AhJh }
Hand 1: 59.806% { 33-22, KhQh, QhJh, QhTh, KQo, QJo }

That range happens to be break-even relative to a shove OTF. No idea if this range is valid for this villain. I wouldn't limp-call QJo short stacked, but I'm not him.
His range was a ton wider than that. QTo+, 45o, and who knows what else. You'll be surprised when I reveal the results.
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11-07-2015 , 12:24 AM
Flop is easiest shove in the world. Hate calling with these stack sizes. V could have absolutely nothing for all we know and just stabbing at a board that misses most hands.
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