Hi guys, please roast my line here. I was completely lost here.
Couple questions:

- OTF: would you bet here?
- OTT: should I bet here when I pick up equity?
- OTR: maybe should've bet bigger here? Villain is probably super polarised?

Hand recorded with Pokerbase. Replay online.
2/2 NLHE at Viage

SB starts with 200.
BB starts with 200.
UTG starts with 200.
MP starts with 418.
MP+1 starts with 200.
LJ starts with 200.
HJ starts with 200.
CO starts with 376.
BTN starts with 200.

Hero is CO with 8s9s.

SB posts sb 2.
BB posts bb 2.

MP raises to 12.
HJ calls (12).
HERO calls (12).
BB calls (10).

Pot 50.
The flop comes 7 6 A.

BB checks.
MP checks.
HJ checks.
HERO bets 20.
BB folds.
MP raises to 60.
HJ folds.
HERO calls (40).

Pot 170.
The turn is the 2.

MP checks.
HERO checks.

Pot 820.
The river is the 3.

MP checks.
HERO bets 60.
MP raises to 346 (allin).
HERO calls.

I check flop, not bluffing 3 people.

I fold to checkraise. I almost never see one check raising flops without massive strength or combo draws, and we have all the combo draws that make sense blocked.

I’m not sure on river but I err towards folding, I see a lot of AsXs in there and not too many bluffs.

In my experience people are RARELY bluffing this river. Given the stake and demo of V I’d say it’s close to 0

It’s surely not often enough for us to call


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No reason to raise into 3 people and get potentially blown off your equity OTF.

Take the free card

Hand plays entirely differently if you don't bet so as played I also check back turn as you did.

OTR as played you can't fold, guessing he showed up with some strange AKss or AQss and backed into it too. Sorry you got coolered.

But yes you want to bet big here, like 120-180

Why can’t we fold river?

It seems so unlikely that V is bluffing or attempting to value bet (?) with a worse hand often enough to warrant this


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Because he shows up with AA as often as AK suited

OMC's in my experience love to play top set this way, they're stuck in some hellmuth gay traping mentality. (They also love to flat or limp kk for some reason preflop.)

So you're up against 1 combo of AK suited and the rest is AA. Real omc's don't raise AQ suited, they limp it. I call.


Also omc's are never scared of backdoor flushes only frontdoors. At least mine aren't, and I get stacks in on every back door I ever make against them.

Both of these suggestions are borderline criminal.

Betting flop is super standard and calling the raise is nearly mandatory with a hidden hand that draws to the nuts. In fact, we WANT him to have a super strong range since we want to get paid off in full when we get there.

Opponent's line is super weird and really only makes sense as exactly A6 or AK for value. I think I'd just shrug call and chalk it up to donks gonna donk if we lose.

This is incredibly results oriented. The vast majority of the time, people are not check/raising here.

Look at the pot now I can get behind a call on flop.

Never betting flop though, not sure how betting here vs 3 people is standard


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Because we have no showdown value and all 3 opponents have checked? They have to have an ace to continue and we have great equity and implied odds when called.

This is 2/2, they don’t have to have an ace to continue. In similar stakes I see people calling with all sorts of second pairs, gutshots, overpairs to second pair ect


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+1 to checking the flop; I think both plays are fine here but I lean towards checking

AP I need more info on villain before making a decision, given the fact that he x/r'd the flop and then check jammed the river I am struggling to find any bluffs in his range; if he had some AX hand he would most likely call and not turn it into a bluff; You beat sets here I think but that's it

tough spot for sure

ck flop bet more otr and now fold

I think the hand is played well throughout, though river could bet a bit larger.

I don’t really get the arguments for checking flop, seems like a clear bet. HJ and PFR very rarely have a hand, we are almost never getting raised here, and we have good equity against any hand they continue with. I wouldn’t be surprised if betting any two cards here is profitable.

I don’t see how calling river can be profitable against an old man coffee. Is he just old or is he old and playing OMC style?

Can save the flop checks for flops without a spade.

Becasue free equity with some juicy implieds is cool too.

Nice hand.

Its pretty tough to play suited connectors profitably if all your going to do is play passively and try to flop big hands. They dont come around often enough. You have to win some hands with 9 high and this is the perfect spot for it.

People check to the raise all the time with TP or better but in this case only one guy checked to the raiser. The raiser checked himself and then the 3rd guy checked also. The vast majority of the time, a bet will take it down in this spot....but dont bet $20 into a $50 pot. I doubt OP would bet $20 if he really has an ace.

Wtf happened ott and otr? $170 -> $800+ pot??

Holy fucking shit - 90% of the posters here are either too oblivious or lazy to include effective stacks, and here you are including stacks for the entire table. Well done. If anyone is wondering how to post a HH, this is a good place to start (until the pot jumps from $170 OTT to $820 OTR with no action taking place).

Now to the hand. Preflop is complicated. Against a wider opener that has a fold button, I am more likely to 3! here. Calling sets you up for awkward post flop play. You don't have absolute position and will often find yourself sandwiched between PFR, BTN and SB/BB with terrible relative position leading to flops where you call the PFR's bet and then have to fold your equity when someone comes in for a raise behind. If we were the BTN and there were two callers ahead of me already I'm much more likely to flat.

As played, I am betting this flop for about half pot. If we're not betting two overs to second pair, OESD and a BDFD on this texture then we literally have zero bluffs. For value we have a variety of Axs hands (incl. A7s/A6s), some AK/AQ that didn't 3! pre, 77, 66 and 76s. So we have plenty of value hands we are betting here. If you want to x 98 do it when you don't have the BDFD. Villain should have plenty of KK-TT that plays the flop this way.

As played, calling the flop raise is standard. Once he checks the turn I am betting here. The pot is $170 and we have roughly $300 remaining in our stack. If he was clicking buttons with something like KQ on the flop (or KK-TT) we can fold out his equity (which is currently ahead). If he has 98 himself (or 45), we can make him pay to see the river while we're free rolling him.

If he's got a set we still have 14 outs, so as long as we bet a minimum of $70 we will have the required equity to call off a x/jam. Personally, I would bet $100-125 on the turn and obviously call any jam.

Bet more on the river the first time around. As played snap call the raise. LOL at folding a BDF on a non-paired board for 122 BB's.

Preflop is fine.

FWIW, the first thing that went through my head when seeing this flop (without reading turn or river) was that we could be getting flush over flushed in this hand. That ace being a diamond rather than a spade may not seem like much but to me it's a world of difference. Anyways, I'm checking this flop.

Turn - excellent check back. We really don't want to put our stack in here and we can't reasonably expect villain to fold after raising flop.

On the river I don't understand our small bet. I'd bet this river hard because a ton of draws bricked out. However as played, I can't reasonably expect OMC to turn AsXo into a bluff. I can't expect an OMC to play 54 like this. If I thought he was a player that could have misread the board or made a major ranging mistake or if I just think he's more aggressive than your typical OMC then I can find a call here but if he is a true OG OMC that's been playing poker since World War 2 or Korea then you gotta fold here.

OMCs can play every street like this with AsXs. Raise flop because top pair obviously. Oh crap got called, top pair doesn't seem so great anymore but can still hit flush so let's check. Ooooh hit flush, too old to get value so let young guy try to steal and then go for the jugular.

Am I being a little mubsy in this spot? Maybe. I'd also say that we really have no information about this villain and I don't like folding hands to players I don't know. You really need to have him identified as a true OMC regular poker player and not just some old guy playing poker in order to fold here.

I think he wrote the final pot as the pot size for the river, rather than the original pot size.

Thanks for the feedback guys. OMC mucked so I took down the pot, which made it even weirder IMO. The OTT -> OTR seems like a bug in the app I'm using (Pokerbase).

Bet bigger on the flop, just like as if you had Ax. That's what you want to represent.

But yeah, and OMC will play AA exactly this way. You can be certain he had it if he ends up grumbling about how lucky hero was and how poorly he played.

Yeah, this is not an OMC, which is actually crucial for the entire hand. I was already in doubt when the OMC c/r both flop and river, because this meant he either check/raised the flop with one pair or he check/raised the river with a set while hero could have a flush. True OMC's don't do both. And now he even mucks river, so it's of course blatantly obvious he's no OMC at all, since OMC's don't bluff, period.

This is just an old guy. Huge difference.