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Originally Posted by venice10
Even if is a rule, it would be rarely enforced or enforceable. Chip stacking is a tell and if you are willing to play against that tell, it wouldn't be a bad move if you don't mind being considered a douche if you have messy chips.
Nah, you need to stack you chips in a big bet game, there are just too many problems artificially created by not keeping chips in stacks.
tl;dr Letting messy piles of chips play in a big bet game only serves to introduce angle shoot opportunities and dramatically slows the game down. The room loses money from the reduced hands per hour, players lose money because of the reduced hands per hour. The game tends to go from a "happy and loose" table to a grumpy mess with everyone getting pissed and tighten up or leaving. This is why any room with any real big bet poker experience will have and enforce a rule about stacking chips.
E.g. #1 OTF A bets $100, B (who has a messy pile of chips) announces AI...
Now several things can happen...
- Player A insta calls the AI, only to lose the pot, and realize that he just called for all of his chips because he thought "he only had about $500 there and not $2000". So the floor has a "fun" ruling to make.
- Player A insta call the AI and wins the pot. Player B refused to pay saying he did not call, did not move any chips into the pot. Yet another "fun" ruling for the floor.
E.g. #1 OTF its a HU pot, player A has the messy pile of chips, and grabs a fistful of chips and slides the small pile in his hand out for a bet, player B clearly announces "CALL" and starts to move a stack of chips out, assuming the dealer will count the bet and take enough chips from his stack to call and return the rest.
Opps, player B now learns that he just called a $465 bet instead of what he thought was <$150 based on the size of the pile. Yep there were some blacks in the grab, neither player know that, but player does not object now that he sees the reaction of the caller. Yet another "fun" ruling for the floor to make.
E.g. #3 Player A has a messy pile of chips and has gotten in the habit of seperating out a smaller pile and moving that smaller pile out as his bet. The table is smart enough not to fall into the problems demonstrated in #1 or #2, but now the dealer has to stack and count every bet, while the action is frozen because no one wants to end up calling/raising a bet they do not know the amount of.
BTW, all three "examples" are from RL experiences...